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    The question is whether teleporting is theoretically possible?
    Fundamentally it means going from one space-time co-ordinate to another without travelling the space-time co-ordinates that lie between the two points. There are theories such as a warp hole or a worm-hole which get you from one point to another without consuming any time or distance.
    But what could be the logic behind these warp/worm holes? According to Einstein, it was travelling in the next higher dimension. For example, consider a 2-D universe. In this case a plane sheet of paper. A 2-D man, the stick figure is a criminal and is hence sent to prison. This can be done by merely, drawing a box around him thus enclosing him.



    The prisoner wants to get out. Now suppose, a 3-D man picked him up and placed him on some other point on the paper-universe outside the box, the 2-D man is therefore free. Now, we 3-D creatures exactly know what happened here. But for the 2-D man, he was at one instant, caged inside a box and the next instant he was outside it! Teleporting! The 3-D travelling is not percieveable to the 2-D man because of his 2-D limitation.

    Logically this process of lifting him up and placing him outside the box took a certain amount of time in our 3-D universe since the 2-D man travelled through it. But in the 2-D universe, it was instantaneous because he spent no time in travelling though that universe. The moment he left the 2-D universe and came into the 3-D universe, time in the 2-D universe ceased to flow for the 2-D man and in the next instant when he re-entered the 2-D universe, he found himself placed on some other space-time co-ordinate.
    So, for us to teleport, all we need to do, is find a way to travel in the 4th dimension!


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    Firstly,...if thats you're photo then you're really pretty :-) ......

    .......Secondly........You have the right idea kind of..The fourth dimension is actually that of time.

    If you read up on M-theory (which I subscribe to) then we are actually living in an 11-dimensional universe. And the 11th dimension is funnily enough even closer to you right now than your own clothes; and thats part of the problem on the physical sense - its curled up extremely small.


    The hand of time rested on the half-hour mark, and all along that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying. The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across No Man's Land to begin the Battle of the Somme. - Poet John Masefield.

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    Thankyou for the compliment.

    So how then, can this theory be incorporated into the 11th Dimensional theory? Is is theoretically..or in this case mathematically possible? And in any case, isn't this 11 dimensions theory a purely mathematical abstraction?
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    First off, the 2-D universe exists inside the 3-D universe, so the time dimension is the same in both universes. If your 2-D prisoner spent an hour in the 3-D universe before returning to his own, then it would be an hour later in 2-D U as well. This is how it works with wormholes. Consider your 2-D U piece of paper. If you focus enough energy at one point, you can bend the paper so that both edges touch. Now an inhabitant of 2-D U could move from one edge to the other edge without having to travel the length of the sheet in between.

    In our 3-D + time universe (or 10-D + time), if you could focus enough energy (mass) at one point, then you could “bend” space-time and perhaps do the same.

    Each discipline of physics was originally a “mathematical abstraction” until each allowed us to make predictions that matched observation. The LHC may find evidence of extra dimensions.
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    But bending the 2-D U so that the ends meet..is transforming it into a 3-D U. It will form a cylinder..it will gain the dimension of width..!! So in any case, you have to resort to the next higer dimension.
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    Not really. The effect only changes the space time locally and the inhabitants of the 2-D U wouldn't notice any change. The link between the two spots is through a synthetic hyperspace. Sagitarius A* may be a black hole that rips through space time at the center of our galaxy, but we are totally oblivious to this. It is said, that anything that exists naturally, will one day be synthesized.
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    In any case, how will the prisoner ger out of the box???
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    I got a maby a theori that if the human body atoms would dissolved and furrowed to a destination and and then collected eachother, Then you are in another place.

    Example. If a objects atoms dissolved in a garden, Then furrowed to another garden. Then the objects may have been teleported.

    But i also read that if a object are in the 3:rd dimension, Then go through that
    dimension to the 2:nd dimension, And than back to the 3:rd, Then the object should be teleported. (I think)

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    quasistatic. Teleporting would need going faster than the speed of light which is currently impossible, bending space which needs an unbelievable amount of energy so impossible (even a black hole could only make one inside itself), or maybe some unknown means.

    To use the Star Trek beaming would require an impossible amount of computer power to take someone apart and put them back perfectly again. Possibly their pattern could be put onto a 3D template and that moved then reconstructed again since every atom of the person would have remained where it was, so no muddling.

    As to the 2D, 3D, 4D, if the 2D man was moved to a position 20 feet away from his original position in flatland, that is done by moving him 20 feet in our 3D world, so no gain. The only gain would be a journey of millions of light years so it is normally done on the curvature of a hypersphere (as in the 3D universe being the skin of a four physical dimensional sphere, which is just what the big bang requires). Instead you take a short cut inside the hypersphere, going straight through it (4D travel) instead of around it. As I said though, only for incredibly long journeys.

    E E Smith got around this by finding a dimension/universe where the speed of light was far in excess of 186,282 mps. He later used this to wipe out the villain's HQ planet where they had every possible device guarding it, which turned out to be useless when a planet travelling at fifteen times light speed was brought into our universe close to them and before any of their safety devices could actuate, all was destroyed.
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    The "STAR TREK beaming' involves a bit of technology which they mention on the show several times. This technology is impossible as far as we know and is the basis of Quantum Mechanics. The ST teleporter uses a 'Heisenberg Compensator" to get around the Uncertainty Principle which states that you cannot know the state of an atom to absolute precision and therefore cannot put it back in the same state.

    There is the possibility of being able to travel through a rotating black hole to somewhere/time else without being spaghettised to death but wormholes while possible in theory, require very specific properties of the fabric of space/time to avoid immediate collapse. Read Kip Thorne's book on gravitation and black holes.
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    or maybe instead of transporting you persay, you disappear bye bye and a clone goes where you wanted to go, thinking and feeling as if you are the same person and you are not just a copy, fax my body and build me up, lets go..... lol
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