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    ive hurd theories of white holes that "bring matter into our universe" if there any proof?


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    Google something if you are not sure of its existence. Anyway, white holes are a hypothetical hole in space. It is a black hole, but rather, a white hole emits matter back into space. Imagine a vacuum, that sucks and blows. Blowing is the white hole theory, though there's no true physical evidence of one being in play.


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    My belief is that it was a white hole that created the universe..(Which before the BB/Expansion was a black-hole in another)....likewise I believe that BH's in this universe create white holes in another.
    The hand of time rested on the half-hour mark, and all along that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying. The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across No Man's Land to begin the Battle of the Somme. - Poet John Masefield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leohopkins
    My belief is that it was a white hole that created the universe..(Which before the BB/Expansion was a black-hole in another)....likewise I believe that BH's in this universe create white holes in another.
    You can believe what you want, but don't call it science. There is not even the slightest indication that such things exist. The only argument is just that we call another phenomenon "black hole" and semantics suggest that the opposite thing should exist as well. And what created the white hole? You will say that it is the other side of a black hole in another universe. Then, what created this universe? This shows you that this idea is illogical.
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    Then, what created this universe? This shows you that this idea is illogical.

    Not everything thing must have a beginning/creation. Though, the idea is not far-fetched. It does fit, his idea of the universe's expansion/collapse. You cannot be proven true, either now. For all we know, this could very well be the way the universe was created. So, respect his opinion. I respect yours, too. I see what you see, but I am not clouded by ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McComb24
    Not everything thing must have a beginning/creation. Though, the idea is not far-fetched. It does fit, his idea of the universe's expansion/collapse. You cannot be proven true, either now. For all we know, this could very well be the way the universe was created. So, respect his opinion. I respect yours, too. I see what you see, but I am not clouded by ignorance.
    Science is about the truth and the ability to support claims by observation and experiment. The idea of white holes is not more credible than the existence of pink elephants. Show me an object that may qualify as a white hole or show me a few physical processes that could explain them. As I said, up to now, there is not the slightest indication that white holes actually exist. So, don't expect anyone to accept an idea based on a fictitious phenomenon without strong criticism. At the end of the day, science is very much about scepticism. Facing the devil's advocate is the best opportunity to defend one's ideas.
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    I think it was John Taylor who wrote a book called White Holes 35 years ago, suggesting that they were black holes in our universe or another universe, which were sucking matter in one end and pumping it out the other as WH's. However, that would mean no very large or very old black holes since they would have lost all their material, so unlikely.
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    i beleive in the univerce expantion and the bigbang, the first reason for that, science, and what i readed about it, and second, what i discovered lately, that maked me more convinced, wich, i'm not going to say what it is, cause i'll go off-topic,

    anyway, what created the univerce, you want a science answer: non avaible, we're not that developed yet, to discover it, even by phylosophy,

    ok, let's sugest that the white hole is true, wich it is reasnelabl to think so, cause there's always the black hole, like matter, and anti-matter,
    but;, from where will this white hole bring material? do you mayeb think, another univerce, wich we may also consider the otehr univerce, another dimention, if the white hole bring things, then, what do black hole do, destroy things, but, don't you think it should lead those material to other place, if the white hole, bring to us, then the black one, should take for that place from here, that way, the univerce, or shall i say, the hall existence, is in balance,

    i beleive that everything, before the bigbang, was a massive one structure, like one ball, but after tha big bang, the explotion, when everything explosed, and went everywhere, maybe, in this explotions, or while the univerce is still taking it's form, like, soem holes appeared on it, like on ground, on earth; there's caves, underground, cause of an earth-quacke, i don't know, natural phenomens, maybe it's the same, while the univerce is forming, i'll cal the secret places, and the holes, (black holes, white holes, maybe others we don't know ... ) appeared like a passage to a cave, like, a small bad formed corner, i don't know,

    oh, the black hole, absorbe everything, even light,
    why when something is near a blackhole, every thing near it, become sooo slooow, time, around that area, is very sloow, what we consider time, time actually don't exist, what we cann it time, is something we invented it, to organize our life, and our memory, while time, is like, how strong is the gravity, the planet rotation, the magnetic feald, the long of the roudn around the star, the distance, etc etc etc... whiel you're in space, it's impossible to use time, at the space, cause where ever you are, your time, but be precised, on those facters, also that time, will be affected by the gravity of the planets, and the stars, etc etc etc...the more an object, or planet, or a star, or ... attack this clock, this clock will be affected, by this gravity, that will control the speed of the rotation of the clock sticks, ((sorry, don't know their english name, anyway, you unerstood me))

    well, back to main topic, if the black hole, bring things to it, attack it,
    and the while hole, push things to here,
    then the black holes, attach time and make it slower,
    while the white hole, will be pushing it, and making it faster, (that's if the white hole exists at the first place)
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    Quote Originally Posted by leohopkins
    My belief is that it was a white hole that created the universe..(Which before the BB/Expansion was a black-hole in another)....likewise I believe that BH's in this universe create white holes in another.
    ok, let's say that a white hole, created the univerce, and the white hole, bring maters, then, from where did it bring them, or, how did this white hole, even existed, in nothing, can you make a hole, in, none, in something imagenary, not even existed, not even have a trace,
    how will this hole, come to nothing, if something don't even exist, then, how it will appear at, this place don't exists, ok let's say, it existed like that, with a magic stick, poofff, ok, but, what created, the other side, that this hole brings mater from, etc etc etc...
    if this white hole appeared, then it mast be there a black hole, to keep things balanced, so, the both, will make nothing, cause what the will be broght, will be again sent, so, nothing will be formed

    in our exitence, there's nothing calls, empty, nothing, you can for example, this room isempty from water, but you can never say, this room is empty, well, you can find water vapor in air, ok maybe, this room is empty from wood, but not complety empty, empty, means, nothing in it, not even air, not even an atom, or a molecule

    can your imagination, appear, in this reality, or in another place, then, try to imagine a BMW car, close your eyes, now open it, oops, where is it?
    lol, [ hey don't worry, i'm not mocking, just joking ]
    so, can you explain, how could, in something, that don't even exists, something, empty, (defintion of empty: not even existed, nothing in it, not just nothing in it, just don't exist, even nothing in it don't exists, cause you can there's nothing in this room, you know the empty room? a scientific experemint, an empty room of air, and everythig, but with walls, and defferenlty not empty of light, )
    so, can you explain; how something, in nothing appears, in something, imaginary, like an idea, can your ideas have a door, or your imagination have a door to go into it?
    so, i beleive that this is wrong, inless you can explain me how
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dishmaster
    Quote Originally Posted by leohopkins
    My belief is that it was a white hole that created the universe..(Which before the BB/Expansion was a black-hole in another)....likewise I believe that BH's in this universe create white holes in another.
    You can believe what you want, but don't call it science. There is not even the slightest indication that such things exist. The only argument is just that we call another phenomenon "black hole" and semantics suggest that the opposite thing should exist as well. And what created the white hole? You will say that it is the other side of a black hole in another universe. Then, what created this universe? This shows you that this idea is illogical.
    What created this universe? - A black hole in another. Ad infinitum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leohopkins
    My belief is that it was a white hole that created the universe..(Which before the BB/Expansion was a black-hole in another)....likewise I believe that BH's in this universe create white holes in another.
    It is easy to assume that such supposition is derived by deciding upon what the antithesis of a black hole would be, but from the erroneous assumption that black holes take matter out of our universe. If the stuff that enters a singularity removed matter from the universe, then its mass would vanish with it and without the mass there is no black hole!
    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense." --Buddha (563BC-483BC)
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    As I wrote in another thread, "Personally, I gravitate (pun intended) toward the idea that a black hole's increasing density ruptures into another, alternate universe." With all due respect to Dishmaster, who I am positive knows more about this than I...but, if "it" was in another universe, we would not be able to observe "it"...right? Don't misunderstand me...I absolutely agree that we cannot draw scientific conclusions without some measurable observations...but speculation is fun, eh?
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    I don't believe that "white holes" could be what created this, or other universes. The theory of white holes would imply that as long as the BH stays active, so would the WH, leaving an open worm hole. Think of a hose. As long as water is flow in one end it will continue to flow out the other end at the same rate. This negates the whole Big Bang theory. My theory is that certain BH have the ability to compress matter and energy to such a dense particle that its weight causes it to "slip through" the fabric of space/time, creating a new dimension. Like a needle passing through fabric, the particle does not damage the space/time fabric. Once released into the empty vacuum of the new dimension, the particle is no longer constrained by the gravitational force of the BH, causing it the explode in a "Big Bang".
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