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  1. #1 Super-Ultramassive Black Hole(s) ::: Universal OverUnity? 
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    Puttin' this out there for scrutiny ::: be gengle with the flaming but do be (heh... ) do be brutal with the honesty...

    What if the driving force of our universe were a gargantuan, galatic-gobbling black hole (super-ultramassive) of undiscovered / unconceived proportions, slowly devouring everything as far as the interstellar eye can see and ejecting the transmugraphticated molecules (atoms, elements, quarks, whatever the small basic stuff is ) out its poles in a jet vortex that gradually succombs to the black hole's gravitational grip and inevitably pulled inward to continue the on-going development of star systems and galaxies?!

    Some implications ::: no big bang, no big crunch, no dark energy, no branes slappin' together, an indefinite cycle

    What evidence, laws or theories does this model violate? Seems to fit nicely into Relativity, Evolution, Thermodynamics, Physics, Quantum Mechanics and the observable universe. For my friends' and family's sakes, please shut me up!!


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    How would you get the Hubble redshift constant from that? Every direction you look in space, the light is redshifted by an amount directly proportional to the distance. There's no apparent core to the universe. If there were a core, then the redshift would be by different amounts when we look in some directions vs. when we look in other directions. It would either be stronger or weaker when we looked in the direction where that core is located.


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  4. #3 I agree! 
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    The redshift observed by I believe type 1a super-novas concludes, the universe is exanding at an increasing rate. To better understand, read this article:

    http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/que...php?number=727

    Hence, using these 'standard candles' we've concluded the driving force of the universe is 'dark energy'. Now, DARK ENERGY... (which to me sounds so much like something from starwars) is just a force.

    My beliefs however, used to be that positronium was at the core of the universe, and the big bang didn't even happen yet! My flaw on the other hand, was the there was no proof of photonic energy in the universe. Sad to say, we all just don't know. >_< lol
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    Exactly!! Accelerating Expansion ... thx for the link ... relative to us doesn't neccesarily mean outward (or away) in a different direction.

    Here's my thoughts ::: spagettification is the proximity effects of black holes' gravity. Meaning if one was to dive into a black hole, the head would fall faster than the feet, causing the body to be stretched. Both the head and feet pull away from the belly-button at an accelerating rate (thus explaining the redshift) yet they are all travelling in the same direction.

    Make sense? Our galaxy is the belly-button and observable galaxies are the head and feet. We assume expansion, but it only appears that way relative to us.

    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    Every direction you look in space, the light is redshifted by an amount directly proportional to the distance ... the redshift would ... either be stronger or weaker when we looked in the direction where that core is located.
    Does this address your response, Kojax? Would that mean galaxies closer to the core will have a greater redshift than those that are further?? Is there a pattern with redshift amounts in galaxies observed to date, or is it random?

    THANK YOU for posting, but I need more critisizm ... more links ... numbers ... anything!!
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    6nqpnw, I am going to refer to you as, "John", if you don't mind(and if you do mind, please give me something more simple to refer to you as, since 6nqpnw is such a hassle to type out. lol)

    You're analogy seemed like it was missing details by the way, because I couldn't really understand it 100%. But the main picture is that there is the largest of largest balck holes, in the center of the universe. If that was the case, and the transmugraphicated particles were indeed spewed out of it's jet streams, I believe the particle would make a routine path such as the on here: http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/y...g?t=1266158438. IF, that is true, the plane in which all matter is currently on in the universe I think would be different, wouldn't it? Either way, if you've read this far, you should read a thread I started recently, here: http://www.thescienceforum.com/Dark-...%21-22857t.php.

    The above URL to the thread I've started talks about a theory I actually have, relative to the begining of everything, and also the end- which I also believe to be a cycle, John. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6nqpnw
    Does this address your response, Kojax? Would that mean galaxies closer to the core will have a greater redshift than those that are further?? Is there a pattern with redshift amounts in galaxies observed to date, or is it random?
    The greater the redshit means the super novea in perspective is indeed closer, relative to the source perspective, earth. If it was less, the distance is greater and hence would be father away from the same given perspective. And there was a ratio used to observe these type 1a super novas; the ratio was 1.4 (something relative to the sun I believe) which is the amount of mass/energy a super nova could have before being forced to release(explode). Studies have shown that our standard candles are not random when observing redshifts, but instead very accurate- which helped us further prove that the universe was increasingly speeding up in expansion.

    I believe I saw a video on the entire thing.. some Yale lecture I believe- I'll post the link when I find it.


    (and sorry for any typos- my mother had to rush me off her laptop for the time being. lol)
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