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    It is my belief that current thinking in the scientific world is that there is no such thing as "Negative Gravity". The Big Hit Theory implies that Dark Energy is the driving force behind acceleration of expansion of the Universe. It is my thinking that this Dark Energy is a positive force. I base this on the assumption that, if a positive force is exerted in all directions between two galaxies, it will force them apart at an ever increasing speed. I would welcome the thinking of others on this subject. Thanks, Joe L. Ogan


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    This statement is nebulous at best. Belief has nothing to to with science. I also have never heard the expression "Big Hit Theory". But yes, the so called "Dark Energy", if it exists, is held responsible for the apparent increased accelerated expansion we observe. But it is a misconception that it affects planetary systems in a way that planetary orbits are increased. The local gravity is usually still stronger than any universal force that causes expansion on large scales. This expansion does not even affect the size of galaxies. They are confined by their own gravity. The influence of a possible "Dark energy" is only witnessed on much larger scales, where the cosmological expansion can be distinguished from the peculiar motions of galaxies and galaxy clusters.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dishmaster
    This statement is nebulous at best. Belief has nothing to to with science. I also have never heard the expression "Big Hit Theory". But yes, the so called "Dark Energy", if it exists, is held responsible for the apparent increased accelerated expansion we observe. But it is a misconception that it affects planetary systems in a way that planetary orbits are increased. The local gravity is usually still stronger than any universal force that causes expansion on large scales. This expansion does not even affect the size of galaxies. They are confined by their own gravity. The influence of a possible "Dark energy" is only witnessed on much larger scales, where the cosmological expansion can be distinguished from the peculiar motions of galaxies and galaxy clusters.
    Is that your belief or are you just being nebulous? Perhaps, there are a few other things in science that you have never heard about. Thanks for your comment
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    Is that your belief or are you just being nebulous? Perhaps, there are a few other things in science that yoiu have never heard about. Thanks for your comment
    Dude, you are dealing with actual scientist.
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    Kalster speaketh the truth.

    Dishmaster has always impressed me with the depth of his knowledge on cosmology and astronomy. Argue with him on this specialist topic at peril of being made to look silly.
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    Oh my, I would not think about argueing with anyone. I came to the forum in search of knowledge. I recognize that some of my questions may be unsophisticated. But that is the way one learns. I do not believe that intellectual intimidation is a good basis for informing anyone about anything. But that is just my opinion and it may be wrong. I am always ready, willing and able to examine my beliefs and, if scientific information indicates it, I am ready to change my opinion. I agree that my original concept was wrong. It was certainly not meant as an item for instruction. Thank you for your opinion. I appreciate it. Joe L. Ogan
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    Please tell then, where have you heard about the big hit theory? I've done a few searches and only found an anecdotal article about "the greatest American pastime."
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcusclayman
    Please tell then, where have you heard about the big hit theory? I've done a few searches and only found an anecdotal article about "the greatest American pastime."
    Hi, Dick, I can not be Frank, my name is Joe. But, if you will enter Big Hit theory in Google, You will learn more than you ever wanted know. It will explain the Big Bang Theory and the Big Hit Theory and I do not know all there is to know about anything else. Regards, Joe L. Ogan
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    Joe, your information appears to be wrong. I tried Google, and nothing concrete came up. The only thing I found was a reference to a TV show.

    Intimidating people is not the intention here. So let's get to the facts. You say:
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe L. Ogan
    It is my belief that current thinking in the scientific world is that there is no such thing as "Negativity Gravity".
    Yes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe L. Ogan
    The Big Hit Theory implies that Dark Energy is the driving force behind acceleration of expansion of the Universe.
    There is no Big Hit Theory. Dark Energy is just a label for something that we do not understand. In the framework of the Big Bang model, there appears to be a force that works against gravity, because there are observations that seem to indicate that the expansion is accelerating.
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe L. Ogan
    It is my thinking that this Dark Energy is a positive force. I base this on the assumption that, if a positive force is exerted in all directions between two planets, it will force the planets apart at an ever increasing speed.
    What does "positive force" mean? In terms of equations, it is merely a convention. It is also a misconception that the universal expansion drives planets or even galaxies away. The effects of that expansion is only observed on large scales, i.e. between galaxies and galaxy clusters; definitely not within the solar system. In such confined systems, the gravitational forces are much stronger that any universal source that causes expansion.

    It is also a misconception that the universal expansion actually triggers a movement of objects. This is not true. The space between the objects expands. This is something very different. In this way, apparent superluminous velocities do not contradict General or Special Relativity.

    So, finally: What is your point? You are either stating the obvious or you have misunderstood a few details.
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    "Hi, Dick, I can not be Frank, my name is Joe."

    I don't know how versed you are in forums, but that "dick, be frank" is a part of my signature and is not in any way directed to you. Nonetheless, feel free to get defensive about it, it lets me know you are not one poster I want to participate in discussions with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcusclayman
    "Hi, Dick, I can not be Frank, my name is Joe."

    I don't know how versed you are in forums, but that "dick, be frank" is a part of my signature and is not in any way directed to you. Nonetheless, feel free to get defensive about it, it lets me know you are not one poster I want to participate in discussions with.
    My comment was not meant to be offensive. It was just a feeble attempt to make a joke. Sorry if you took offense to it. I apologize. Joe L. Ogan
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    No offense taken, thanks for the consideration.

    I did what you suggested, and searched "big hit theory" on Google, and I conveniently got this thread first. I looked through the first few pages, but couldn't find a link to anything about a big hit theory. There were some hit theories involving percussion instruments, but mostly links to stuff about the big bang theory.

    can you please tell me at least how many pages I should look through before expecting to find what you are referring to?

    or better yet, can you share some links with us?

    until something substantial is brought to the table, I'm done with this discussion...

    (edit: i guess I've never really been a positive part of it, so it shouldn't change much)
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    Hmm. Since The Big Hit Theory is, by implication, related to cosmology, I decided to narrow my Google search to Big Hit Theory AND cosmology. This generated four hits: two were for this forum and two appeared to be for some form of video dating scheme. (I'll let you know how that works out.)

    So, I am as intrigued as Marcus and others: what is this Big Hit Theory?
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    [quote="Ophiolite"]Hmm. Since The Big Hit Theory is, by implication, related to cosmology, I decided to narrow my Google search to Big Hit Theory AND cosmology. This generated four hits: two were for this forum and two appeared to be for some form of video dating scheme. (I'll let you know how that works out.)

    So, I am as intrigued as Marcus and others: what is this Big Hit Theory?[/quote

    Hi, Somewhere I read about the "Big Hit Theory" I did not make it up. I thought I had read it in Google but, obviously, I did not. I have been searching for where I read it but have had no luck so far. I shall continue to search and, when I find something, I shall get back to you. Sorry for any inconvenience that I have caused. Thanks for your patience. Joe L. Ogan
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    Joe L. Ogan. Anti gravity a few decades back was said to be impossible but that is basically what dark energy is. Though it is said to make 3/4 of the universe, apparently it did not exist pre-several billion years ago before the present claimed acceleration started. Can you imagine that, 3/4 of the universe only came into existence a while back. Even stranger is that no one knows anything about it other than that it conveniently does what is needed of it.

    Expansion is about 15 miles per second over a million light years so between planets maybe a few light minutes apart, nothing would be noticeable, even if local gravity did not hold them together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dishmaster
    Joe, your information appears to be wrong. I tried Google, and nothing concrete came up. The only thing I found was a reference to a TV show.

    Intimidating people is not the intention here. So let's get to the facts. You say:
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe L. Ogan
    It is my belief that current thinking in the scientific world is that there is no such thing as "Negativity Gravity".
    Yes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe L. Ogan
    The Big Hit Theory implies that Dark Energy is the driving force behind acceleration of expansion of the Universe.
    There is no Big Hit Theory. Dark Energy is just a label for something that we do not understand. In the framework of the Big Bang model, there appears to be a force that works against gravity, because there are observations that seem to indicate that the expansion is accelerating.
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe L. Ogan
    It is my thinking that this Dark Energy is a positive force. I base this on the assumption that, if a positive force is exerted in all directions between two planets, it will force the planets apart at an ever increasing speed.
    What does "positive force" mean? In terms of equations, it is merely a convention. It is also a misconception that the universal expansion drives planets or even galaxies away. The effects of that expansion is only observed on large scales, i.e. between galaxies and galaxy clusters; definitely not within the solar system. In such confined systems, the gravitational forces are much stronger that any universal source that causes expansion.

    It is also a misconception that the universal expansion actually triggers a movement of objects. This is not true. The space between the objects expands. This is something very different. In this way, apparent superluminous velocities do not contradict General or Special Relativity.

    So, finally: What is your point? You are either stating the obvious or you have misunderstood a few details.
    Hi, I am not too familiar with using the forum post. I thank you for giving me some instruction. When I went to college, there was little or no way of learning some of the things that are readily available today. I find it very interesting to be learning about space. My knowledge is limited but I am learning. Thanks again.Joe L. Ogan
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcusclayman
    Please tell then, where have you heard about the big hit theory? I've done a few searches and only found an anecdotal article about "the greatest American pastime."
    Dick, I am sorry. I have spent several hours trying to find the subject title. I believe that my memory was faulty. I believe that it should be called "The Big Rip Theory". It is available on Google and it goes into great detail to explain it. I apologize for waisting your time. Joe L. Ogan
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    Anti gravity a few decades back was said to be impossible but that is basically what dark energy is. Though it is said to make 3/4 of the universe...
    I think you are mixing dark energy and dark matter with each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
    Anti gravity a few decades back was said to be impossible but that is basically what dark energy is. Though it is said to make 3/4 of the universe...
    I think you are mixing dark energy and dark matter with each other.
    Hi, Kalster, I think that I named the wrong Subject. I should have said "The Big Rip Theory". It is supposedly a new theory and it is available on Google. I apologize for any inconvenience. Joe L. Ogan
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
    Anti gravity a few decades back was said to be impossible but that is basically what dark energy is. Though it is said to make 3/4 of the universe...
    I think you are mixing dark energy and dark matter with each other.
    Hi, I think that my memory was faulty. I should have said , "The Big Rip Theory." It is available in Google and is explained in great detail. I apologize dor wasting your time. Joe L. Ogan
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
    Anti gravity a few decades back was said to be impossible but that is basically what dark energy is. Though it is said to make 3/4 of the universe...
    I think you are mixing dark energy and dark matter with each other.
    Hi, I think that my memory was faulty. I should have said , "The Big Rip Theory." It is available in Google and is explained in great detail. I apologize for wasting your time. Joe L. Ogan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dishmaster
    This statement is nebulous at best. Belief has nothing to to with science. I also have never heard the expression "Big Hit Theory". But yes, the so called "Dark Energy", if it exists, is held responsible for the apparent increased accelerated expansion we observe. But it is a misconception that it affects planetary systems in a way that planetary orbits are increased. The local gravity is usually still stronger than any universal force that causes expansion on large scales. This expansion does not even affect the size of galaxies. They are confined by their own gravity. The influence of a possible "Dark energy" is only witnessed on much larger scales, where the cosmological expansion can be distinguished from the peculiar motions of galaxies and galaxy clusters.
    Incidentally, in the Physics Forum, they tell me that there is such a Theory as the Big Hit Theory. I have no way of researching this, but they said that it has to do with formation of the moon. Joe L. Ogan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Hmm. Since The Big Hit Theory is, by implication, related to cosmology, I decided to narrow my Google search to Big Hit Theory AND cosmology. This generated four hits: two were for this forum and two appeared to be for some form of video dating scheme. (I'll let you know how that works out.)

    So, I am as intrigued as Marcus and others: what is this Big Hit Theory?
    Hi, I think that I made an error. I believe that I should have said the Big Rip Theory. It is available on Google and is explained in some detail.

    Incidentally, People in the Physics Forum say that there is a Theory such as "Big Hit" Theory. It has to do with formation of the moon. Thanks, Joe L. Ogan
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
    Anti gravity a few decades back was said to be impossible but that is basically what dark energy is. Though it is said to make 3/4 of the universe...
    I think you are mixing dark energy and dark matter with each other.
    Hi, I believe that I should have said, "The Big Rip Theory." It is available on Google and is explained in some detail.

    Incidentally, The Physics Forum informs me that there is such a theory as the Big Hit theory. It has to do with formation of the moon. Joe L. Ogan
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    Hey Joe,

    you do not have to reply to each post individually - even more so, if your reply always has the same subject. A general single post is sufficient.

    Also, if you want to change a post, you should use the "edit" button instead of answering twice.

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    The "Big Rip Theory" is actually not a theory, but a hypothesis at best. It says that in a distant future, the rate of expansion will increase to apocalyptic values so that no other force (gravity, electromagnetism, nuclear forces) can sustain the integrity of matter any more. That would lead to a total decomposition of all matter in the universe.

    The "Big Hit Theory" says that the Moon was formed after the impact of a large planetoid on the then young Earth. The remains after the merging of the two bodies then formed the Moon by coagulation.
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  28. #27 The Big Rip Theory and The Big Hit Theory 
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    Thank you for your information. Joe L. Ogan
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