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  1. #1 Building a Moon Base 
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    I'm thinking the Moon's development curve will be somewhat exponential in nature. Like if you multiply 1.15 by itself a lot of times. At first, it seems slow and futile, but after a while it starts growing much faster.

    If you can hollow out a large underground cavern on the Moon, seal it (probably with molten silicon), and fill it with air, then power it, you're pretty much home free after that. Once people are living there and working there full time, they're going to expand those tunnels.


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    There is supposed to be ice on the Moon so near there would be a good place for the base since otherwise, all oxygen and water would have to be taken there at very great expense, like everything else. Would there be any real benefits from such a base to justify such an effort and such a cost?

    A solar refinery with large mirrors would mean that ores could be melted and the metals used. Growing plants under glass will help.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberia
    There is supposed to be ice on the Moon so near there would be a good place for the base since otherwise, all oxygen and water would have to be taken there at very great expense, like everything else. Would there be any real benefits from such a base to justify such an effort and such a cost?

    A solar refinery with large mirrors would mean that ores could be melted and the metals used. Growing plants under glass will help.
    And, even if we don't find any ice, a fellow over at Lockheed Martin discovered that if you put ordinary moon rocks in a pressure cooker, it's possible to extract water that way as well.
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    What I wonder is how much politicians realize how critical it is to get colonies established the hell off of this planet.

    We've got to get out into space for their capitalist system to keep working, right? You need growth and new markets. From their point of view, in any case. From scientists' points of view, we have to get out there to get exploration under way in a big way. We need to visit the outer planets ourselves, not just send probes. We can colonize some of the moons of the gas giants as well!


    Aside from that, I'd love to spend a year or so exploring the moon, having a perfect location for astronomical observation when in the dark, and helping develop Moonbase Alpha.
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    You'd think the USA would want to spear head this. The idea of taking on new frontiers is engrained in the culture. And this time.... . don't have to kill any natives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberia
    Would there be any real benefits from such a base to justify such an effort and such a cost?
    Yeah, they would have to provide something priceless.



    Well, ego is priceless...
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    They'll have a hell of a time if it turns out there's no water ice under the surface anywhere. WTF would you want to go to the moon for in that case??? You're a hell of a lot better off building a good goddam space station in nearer Earth orbit to reach Mars and later the Gas Giant moons - ones that have valuable materials.

    What concerns me is if Europa (or any other moon) turns out to have nothing more than worm analogues under the ice, we will pretty much ignore that it is 'their' territory and use all the resources we want, won't we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by C_Sensei
    What concerns me is if Europa (or any other moon) turns out to have nothing more than worm analogues under the ice, we will pretty much ignore that it is 'their' territory and use all the resources we want, won't we?
    Would you suggest we stop eating animals here on Earth? We've always been hypocrites regarding other species, and resolving it (one way or another) would end our successful career as humans.

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    Moon colony expenses are more than just the basics of idealized self-sufficiency. Real self sufficiency is impossible. Because those colonists are never going to make their own toilet paper. Or pencils, lightbulbs, BBQ sauce, sneakers, batteries. We'd have to send it all up against gravity, then lower it against gravity. How many tonnes of "stuff" does one person in Antarctica require monthly? How little can productive modern people do without?
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    You've got to solve such problems in innovative ways. Say there is enough water ice on moon to use. Then you don't use toilet paper, you all have bidet appliances. They're pretty popular in the more well off homes in Japan. Frikkin controls make it look like a "Star Trek" toilet.

    Who needs pencils when you have computers? Clearly we won't be getting our Moonbase before 2020! There will be alot more advances in palm pilots by then!

    So you eventually have a vast underground cattle ranch and pig farm, fed by even vaster hydroponics. Their poop is a useable material itself. The point is, it is entirely possible. Make a space elevator to raise cargo into orbit alot more cheaply than using rocketry. It's coming eventually. It's just a question of when.

    If I had the time I wouldn't mind putting in work to establish a base, or, going on vacation for a week or two. But I sure wouldn't want to live on the moon!

    ....Unless the Earth was filled with loads of Mitchianity and the moon with scientists.
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