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    Houm...


    I guess the name "Lorentz" means nothing to you, right? Nor does "Doppler", may I guess further.

    One of the first steps to debunk a widely accepted theory is to understand it. Give a look at Wikipedia's article on the "Twins Paradox" to understand why time is delated in fast moving objects and/or high gravity. 8)


    PS: the effect of time delation has been measured with atomic clocks, which lack any moving part suitable to be affected by a higher "weight". Aditionally they were in orbit and so their "weight" was of 0 as they were in free fall already...


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    According to Albert Einstein's theory of relativity, time runs slow in places of lower gravity or in places of high speed.

    With this we can conclude that "half life" of Radioactive Elements such as Uranium, Polonium etc will differ in other heavenly bodies like the moon, jupiter and other planets.

    This is because the speed at which they are orbiting differs from that of Earth and also they have different gravitational pull from that of Earth.
    Firstly, time runs slow in places of higher gravity, and only wrt an outside observer.

    I'm afraid the effect is only noticeable when relative speeds are substantial proportions to the speed of light, and this is not the case for the planets of our solar system. The gravitational/time effect is only noticeable in the vicinity of objects at the point where the escape velocity is a substantial proportion of the speed of light, and that is only true of extreme conditions such as neutron stars and of course black holes. Again, nothing like enough gravity is involved on the planet Jupiter (the most massive of all) to change the half life of any radioactive substance by anything measureable to ten decimal places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nwaogu
    astronauts who go to space and spend time there eg. 3 months orbiting the earth where there is zero-g or no gravity due to the proof of their weightlessness and there clocks are said to tick time faster than that on earth, when they return why do they come back few seconds younger than who stayed on the earth's surface where clocks tick slowly , when they are to age more than we here on earth.
    Since strong gravity slows time as to you guys.
    We guess this is a standing prove to our theory that lesser gravity truely slows time.
    Einstein was wrong.
    I'm almost afraid that what you wrote above may make sense to you, pal.

    FIRST, mass, gravity and weight are different concepts. Gravity in orbit is as strong as it shoudl be -it is not zero. What is zero is gravity's acceleration, which is another beast.

    SECOND, where you came out saying that astroanuts who come back from orbit are younger? According to who's time?

    THIRD, the delation between subejctive time fot he traveller and time for the rest of the universe is calcualted with this formula:

    SQR(1-(v2/c2))

    Or, square root of 1 minus velocity square divided by c square.

    for v= 0.9c, time delation will be of 0.435, that is, traveler's time will pass at 0.435 times the speed of universe time. Or, the traveler will experience 435 seconds per each 1,000 seconds measured from the outside. Also the apparent longitude of traveler's body will be 0.435 times that of the body in rest -a starship 100 meters long would look like 43.5 meters long.

    You should read a bit more before messing with Einstein.

    In candle clocks, Gravity doesnt in any way affect it, only oxygen.Water clocks, in places of more gravity there is faster rate of telling time as gravity makes the water fall at higher rate to the groung proving us correct. In Sun dial, gravity too doesnt affect it.
    So which one are we going to believe in.
    Just as a suggerence... time is what goes on while clocks work. Clocks don't produce time, just measure it. If a clock tics a second in the time that a beam of light runs some 299,792,458 meters, it will be a precise clock. Clocks going slower or faster don't affect time. Time going slower or faster affects clocks, nonetheless.

    when Earth or any other matter in the universe approachs near light's speed.
    According to Einstein, the Matter will look contracted although inside of the matter remains as light as before, because the light will approach the matter at equal speed.

    Isn't that weird.
    Matter looks contracted from the outside. From within it is perfectly normal.... whereas the rest of the universe looks contracted.

    Wouldn't the gravity of earth increase as the mass increase and wouldn't the gravity affect the path at which the light are coming to strike on it when it starts approaching near light's speed.
    Using the Spread-Sheet of Einstein, The earth will cause an immensed dip into the sheet which looks like its area of gravity.
    The light will definitely fall into the great gravity of the earth and thus move inwards into its gravity and not strike the earth as usual and thus becomes darker and look contracted ( an observer looking at this will not see all part of Earth and sum up the ones seen as the new size of the object as our GRAND Theory of Relativity says which makes object approaching light's speed look more contracted as explained by the Fitzgerald-Lorentz Contraction and later becomes a flat disk before varnishing when little or no light is getting to it ) and may might strike on its moon or the man-made satellites if lucky enough.

    This is The Theory of Gravity-Contraction

    This is in conflict with Relativity, huh
    :?

    Now you lost me. I guess your writing is nearly as good as your Relativistic Physics.
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    I don't understand when people use black holes in proofs, but here is what I understood from that:

    Black holes exert high gravity, so the velocity of everything close by it approaches the speed of light. Assuming that at the "speed of light" time stops, places that have high gravity(i.e. black holes) stop time.

    Here is a different proof that doesn't use black holes:

    slower molecule -> less kinetic energy -> lower temperature -> more pressure(gravity) -> slower time (or no time)

    So we know that temperature is a measure of the movement of particles, hence slower molecules -> lower temperature

    Lower temperature results in higher pressure (i.e. at low temperature Nitrogen gas becomes liquid, because lower temperature -> more pressure)

    Lower temperature results in more pressure, resulting in slower time, because as you approach absolute zero time gets slower.
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