# Thread: Distances in proportion to each other

1. this is several questions, and will probably take a long time to put it all together

I also would like them all in the same measurement format

preferably in meters yes I know thats strange but I have a little thing I want to try out

I want to mathematically do some comparisons on proportions between things from the very small to the very big and everything in between then look to see if there is some kind of ratio or even a rough similarity between the way objects spread themselves out over space from particles to galaxies

I just had a thought on the whole structure of our universe and thought well there is a pattern in the shapes but is there a ratio

and ideally I would like to get data on averages

the distance between a nucleus and an electron also size of them both

the distances between atoms in molecules and outside molecules

as well as the size of the molecules themselves

and this is where the averages come in

the distance between a star and a planet also average size of stars and average size of planets

the distance between solar systems and average size of solar systems

the distance between the center of a galaxy and a star average size of galaxies

the distances between galaxies

the distances between a galaxy center and something that Im only recently learning about dwarf galaxies that I think orbit the larger galaxies they go around.

average size of dwarf galaxies

In clusters which I don't know much about their structure, but how far apart are the galaxies in them and if u get groups of clusters together how far are clusters from each other

again if u have any of these answers, could u change it into meters and then post

thanks

2.

3. Unfortunately what you are asking is like asking what is the size of a stone. Answer is that they come in all sizes. This is a handy site to start from :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton

Atoms come in all sizes from hydrogen to uranium (and bigger). Molecules come in far bigger sizes depending on the number of atoms that make them up. Organic molecules (those based on carbon) are by far the biggest and come in long chains so enabling them to form the very complicated molecules on which life is based. It is difficult to pin down exactly where electrons are as they are in continuous motion. Some say they are like a cloud but the properties of elements work out as though electrons were in "shells" of 2,8,8,8,8, etc.

Stars come in many sizes according to where they are on this diagram:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertzsp...ussell_diagram

Here is an interesting site:

http://www.rense.com/general72/size.htm

We are just beginning to get some idea of other solar systems. We have seen planets so close to stars that they orbit them every few days. We have planets like dwarf planet Sedna which are so far away that it has an orbit around our sun of maybe 12,000 years.

Objects in the universe are all kinds of distances from each other. This site helps:

http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/

As does this site:

As to dwarf galaxies, check out our local cluster with our galaxy, the Andromeda galaxy, etc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Group

When you talk of astronomy, distances are so big that it's not the metric system but light years, the distance light travels in one year is over 9.4 trillion kilometers.

4. Originally Posted by Cyberia
Unfortunately what you are asking is like asking what is the size of a stone. Answer is that they come in all sizes. This is a handy site to start from :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton

Atoms come in all sizes from hydrogen to uranium (and bigger). Molecules come in far bigger sizes depending on the number of atoms that make them up. Organic molecules (those based on carbon) are by far the biggest and come in long chains so enabling them to form the very complicated molecules on which life is based. It is difficult to pin down exactly where electrons are as they are in continuous motion. Some say they are like a cloud but the properties of elements work out as though electrons were in "shells" of 2,8,8,8,8, etc.

Stars come in many sizes according to where they are on this diagram:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertzsp...ussell_diagram

Here is an interesting site:

http://www.rense.com/general72/size.htm

We are just beginning to get some idea of other solar systems. We have seen planets so close to stars that they orbit them every few days. We have planets like dwarf planet Sedna which are so far away that it has an orbit around our sun of maybe 12,000 years.

Objects in the universe are all kinds of distances from each other. This site helps:

http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/

As does this site:

As to dwarf galaxies, check out our local cluster with our galaxy, the Andromeda galaxy, etc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Group

When you talk of astronomy, distances are so big that it's not the metric system but light years, the distance light travels in one year is over 9.4 trillion kilometers.
Thats why I asked for averages perhaps based on quantities for example the average size of a atom, probably close to the size of a hydrogen atom cause on average a large portion of the universe that we know consists of hydrogen

Sorry I should of rephrased it better

lets take solar systems

the question I ask is as follows

What is the probability with the information we have available for us today that a sun will have a planet around it

and then what is the probability that it will have 2 etc

from this information we could build a average solar system and look at some of its features

we could do the same for all things that we view in the universe around us

On a side note I know about chemistry and the size of atoms, and how they connect but just interested in the sizes of the gaps between things in proportion to those same things

with solar systems we could develop develop an average solar system and go further to look at the average distances between them

for example

lets take our sun as the only sun in the universe(call it sun A) then we would have a starting point and the average distance to the nearest sun would be 0

then we add in a sun B 2 LYs(light years) away and the then the average is 2 LYs then we add a third sun thats 3 light years from both the sun A and B and then we get average distance would be 2.66 etc light years

do that for an entire galaxy and u would get the average distance between stars in a galaxy

this logic could be applied to any of the questions asked in my first post

5. Averages have some value in science, but not a lot. (For one thing do you want the arithmetic mean, the geometric mean, the mode or the median?) Consequently I don't think you are heading anywhere interesting.

Our perception of other planetary systems is skewed by the current limitations of our instrumentation. Even if we could compute an average it would be essentially meaningless.

Stars are densely packed in globular clusters, star nurseries and the central bulges of spiral galaxies. An average distance between stars fails to capture this important distinction.

6. Originally Posted by John Galt
Averages have some value in science, but not a lot. (For one thing do you want the arithmetic mean, the geometric mean, the mode or the median?) Consequently I don't think you are heading anywhere interesting.

Our perception of other planetary systems is skewed by the current limitations of our instrumentation. Even if we could compute an average it would be essentially meaningless.

Stars are densely packed in globular clusters, star nurseries and the central bulges of spiral galaxies. An average distance between stars fails to capture this important distinction.
I definitely see ur point.

Maybe this thread should be moved to the pseudo-science area.

The logic behind my idea is I want to see if we could build some kind of relationship between these entities

then we could extrapolate out to see how far away another universe (multi-universe) would be if a clear ratio was shown.

I know it wasn't stated in the original post but I thought there might have been work done on this topic already.i.e. information was available already

and I wanted this topic to remain as scientific as possible, it would be interesting if there was some kind of relationship

ands as for which tool to use mathematically it shouldn't really matter as long as it is and can be consistently applied.

7. u left one thing : the distance between particle used to make nucleus and the electrons?

8. Originally Posted by sak
u left one thing : the distance between particle used to make nucleus and the electrons?
good point thank you

first positive post Iv seen in the thread

Edit: Quark's

 Bookmarks
##### Bookmarks
 Posting Permissions
 You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts   BB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is On [VIDEO] code is On HTML code is Off Trackbacks are Off Pingbacks are Off Refbacks are On Terms of Use Agreement