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    Okay we are (sooner or later) get to colonize outer worlds.. before we do that, we will have to train how it might go on our very dear (and luckilly) very close Moon.

    I thought about opening a topic on just how would a starting moon base look like and refresh the start post with all you can add to it..

    Here it goes .. MOON BASE:

    - Many flights will have to be taken... somehow we will have to take those big fuel tanks for Shuttle takeoffs with us, so they can be used for the moonbase creation.

    - There should be at least one greenhouse in MB from early start.

    - There should be a library to enable inhabitans to read and spend time in.

    - Factory for making of impregnable glass should be the top and one of first things to be built there. Would enable faster building of varius buildings.

    - Later on creating of a airstrip for Shutle (or Shuttle lookalike next generation interplanetry vehicle). So landings can be done for more valuable cargo (one that cant be just dropped with parachutes) UNAVAIABLE

    - Some sort of an transmitter should be built for constant connection to Earth (with internet, and rest of media access)

    And members ADDITIONS below.:

    1. Should be built below surface to protect against solar flares and similar. Ophiolite (1)

    2. Must have ability to recycle most of thing used if not all. A specific plant to do the job, perhaps? Stargazer (1)

    3. Must have power generated by nuclear reactor. With chance that fission be researched this becomes more secure option.. (Ophiolite (2)

    4. Food cultivation could be done by using some sort of an cultured yeast .. which would keep care for round the time growth of needed food and would require less worktime to handle as well. Steve (1)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Katulus
    I thought about opening a topic on just how would a starting moon base look like and refresh the start post with all you can add to it..
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    Good idea.
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    - Later on creating of a airstrip for Shutle (or Shuttle lookalike next generation interplanetry vehicle). So landings can be done for more valuable cargo (one that cant be just dropped with parachutes)
    Not a good idea. No air - no gliding possibility, no working parachutes.

    Moon base needs to be underground to provide both insulation, but more importantly protection from radiation, especially during solar flares.


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    It must be as selfsufficient as possible, to recycle and to use resources from the Lunar soil. A greenhouse of some sort will be necessary, not only as a part of the life support system but it would probably be good from a psychological point of view as well. The low gravity will probably have a bad effect on the human body, which could be treated with special diets, food supplements and regular workout. It's going to be tricky to live on other worlds, but I think it's a great idea to start with the moon, because it's very close and a trip to the moon only have to take a few days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katulus
    Okay we are (sooner or later) get to colonize outer worlds.. before we do that, we will have to train how it might go on our very dear (and luckilly) very close Moon.
    When you consider the fantastic cost involved in setting up a moon base, I really don't think it would be worth doing it for "practice". I say just spend all your moon base money on basic research (especially into launch technology) so that it will be easier and cheap when you go to colonize the outer worlds.

    I don't think that building any sort of colony on the moon would be practical until our launch technology is much, much better. That's where the money should be going, in my opinion.
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    We keep mentioning greenhouses. What are you going to do at night?
    Also, what are you going to do about micrometeorites?
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    Greenhouse: How about giving them daylight at night using lights os some sort.

    Micrometeorites ... can they be prevented from doiong harm by strong glass of some sort ?
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    Clearly you can provide nocturnal lighting for appropriate portions of the fourteen day night. My implicit point was that will require additional power generating equipment, and, if you are planning on using solar cells, massive batteries, or nuclear power, with its consequent shielding.
    Even a moderate sized greenhouse will require a mass, and I emphasise mass, of associated equipment to keep it running.

    A sand grain coming in at many kilometres per second packs a hell of whallop. On the other hand we haven't lost anything in Earth orbit yet. Have we?
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    I'm not aware of a loss of satellite or spacecraft due to micrometeorites, but there has been damage. Obviously the moon base must be shielded from micrometeorites and radiation, but it can't be 100% safe.
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    StarLab loss in 70ies? or maybe i am mistaken? maybe it ws hit by debree from other ruined satellites..
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    Do you mean SkyLab?

    If you do, this space station was lost due to bureaucracy, underfunding, and poor timing of the Space Shuttle program. SkyLab found itself in a degraded orbit and the Space Shuttle program didn't complete in time to send a mission to improve its orbit nor could funding for a rescue satellite called Teleoperator be obtained.

    It wasn't micrometeorites that did it in. It was gravity and bureaucracy, occasionally, two synomous words but distinct and separate partners in this case.
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    Starlab? I'm not familiar with it. Did you mean SkyLab? It just suffered normal orbital decay and was then deliberately de-orbited.
    Apollo 14(?) brought back panels from the Surveyor robot craft that had been on the moon for two or three years. Part of the intention was to examine them for micro-meteorite impacts. I don't recall the results.
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    I have a question regarding a MoonBase, or any other similar project base. What is the process for keeping a constant air supply?
    Divers for instance can use rebreathers which circulate air, but this comes at an expensive cost for both the equiptment and maintance as well as resources needed to clean the air.
    You could put forward the fact that there is a large greenhouse , which in effect would contribute but in no way could possibly be the major player. Are there other more efficient ways of doing this, or would it have to be an imported asset?

    Also, regarding taking over fuel etc to allow the shuttles to re-launch from the moon for the return journey, remember that it would take far less effort for the rocket/shuttle to launch from the moonbase than it would to launch from a base on earth.
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    I wonder if on the moon people can finally learn to get along. Somehow I doubt it. It sure would be nice if we could put all the political differences aside and work to one common goal.
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    The food growing problem is a real one. Clearly, transporting food from the earth to a lunar habitat is a very expenisve proposition, probly amounting to at least $10K/kg. which is prohibitive.

    Growing food on the moon using soils is also very energy expensive and again requires the transport of huge amounts of biologically active materials as well as constant monitoring and supplies. Crops are NOT year round food supplies, either.

    A better source of food would be a cultured yeast, which will provide not only oils, carbs and proteins, but vitamines as well. The yeast can be constantly cultured resulting in steady food production of a considerable quantities over a short time. It requires no light, just heat and raw materials. Palatability would be a problem but is probably solved using spices, flavorings and texturing agents.

    Some sort of fast growing algae, edible could also be used. Again, this would have to be developed to be sure.
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    Palatability would be a problem but is probably solved using spices, flavorings and texturing agents.
    I can see it now, "Lunar spice trade wars".
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve
    The food growing problem is a real one. Clearly, transporting food from the earth to a lunar habitat is a very expenisve proposition, probly amounting to at least $10K/kg. which is prohibitive.

    Growing food on the moon using soils is also very energy expensive and again requires the transport of huge amounts of biologically active materials as well as constant monitoring and supplies. Crops are NOT year round food supplies, either.

    A better source of food would be a cultured yeast, which will provide not only oils, carbs and proteins, but vitamines as well. The yeast can be constantly cultured resulting in steady food production of a considerable quantities over a short time. It requires no light, just heat and raw materials. Palatability would be a problem but is probably solved using spices, flavorings and texturing agents.

    Some sort of fast growing algae, edible could also be used. Again, this would have to be developed to be sure.
    GR8 stuff.. Can u offer more info on that "cultured yeast" ? what is it comprimed off and what are basic ingradients .. curious me.
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