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    China plans to put a man on the moon around 2017, a newspaper reported on Friday, beating American plans to return to the moon by a full year.

    One aim of the Chinese mission would be to investigate what may be the perfect source of fuel, the Southern Metropolis News reported.

    The news follows last month's successful flight by two Chinese astronauts, who orbited Earth for five days in what was only China's second manned space launch.

    According to state media, China is now developing new spacecraft up to the Shenzhou X, before developing a permanent space station and eventually progressing to a manned moon mission.

    "China will make a manned moon landing at a proper time, around 2017," leading scientist Ouyang Ziyuan was quoted by the Southern Metropolis News as saying.

    The project also includes setting up a moon-based astronomical telescope, measuring the thickness of the moon's soil and the amount of helium-3 on the moon -- an element some researchers say is a perfect, non-polluting fuel source.

    Some scientists believe there is enough helium-3 on the moon
    to power the world for thousands of years.

    "We will provide the most reliable report on helium-3 to mankind,"
    Ouyang said.

    In September the United States unveiled a $104 billion plan to return Americans to the moon by 2018.

    Its Apollo programme carried the first humans to the moon in 1969.

    China's first lunar orbiter could blast off as early as 2007, coinciding with its third manned space trip in which possibly three men would orbit Earth in Shenzhou VII and conduct a space walk.

    Earlier this week reports in the Beijing News said China was designing a rocket that could carry a payload of 25 tonnes, up from a present limit of eight tonnes, though it would unlikely be ready for another six-and-a-half years.

    Here is the original source: http://forums.military.com/groupee/f.../8620081130001

    This is my personal opinion:
    As soon as China comes home with its Helium 3 energy source for nuclear fusion, U.S.A. will declare war on China. World War 3 will begin. Hello? Obviously U.S.A. wouldn't want China to develop its own nuclear fusion reactor and start providing "thousand years" electricity to its own nation. Nuclear fusion provides limitless electricity. Not only will U.S.A. trigger World War 3 but everyone will be drafted to the army so that it makes sure it could cripple China's military strength. It might not be surprising that U.S.A. will launch a couple of nuclear bombs towards China. It is a time when U.S.A. will launch full military potential.

    Don't work with China because China won't work with us once they have all the electricity they need to run the economy.

    Note:

    Colin Campbell, founder of ASPO, stated that oil will peak by 2010. U.S.A. 's economy will slowly die without oil.


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    This has been known for awhile. I, as a hardcore supporter of all things NASA, wish China luck. I hope they do harvest Helium 3 and use it. It's good for all of us.

    China has also said that when they go to the moon they're going to do it right the first time, meaning that they'll be there to stay. This is no easy task, but I believe them.

    But if you think that we're going to let them make it back to our home away from earth before we do you've lost it. We're not going to do that. You know we're planning a secret mission before then, and so is China probably. We'll probably get there on New Year's Day.

    My guess is, we'll both arrive at the same time, us and China. And because it's not cool to fight in space and because we're both too infantile to work together for the sake of humanity we'll settle it with the first ping pong match on the moon, which China will destroy us in. We'll protest and win a chance at a basketball game, but China will have already thought of this and will have snuck Yao Ming to the moon, yes, you guessed it, the first 7-footer in space.

    Basically, what I'm saying is if we don't work with China we're screwed.


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    Yes I think your on to something, why fight over these issues. In the end we are all going to have to learn to get along. The US was on the moon a long time ago, this is not a competition anymore. It should be about benefiting the people of the planet.

    Beside, if Wal-mart shuts down China's economy couldn't afford a trip across town
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    good for China!
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    Let the games begin.

    Here's a new article saying that China now plans to build a space station on the moon by 2020. No hurry, they say that this isn't the cold war.

    Here's a link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051127/...sc/china_space

    This means they've already moved the launch date up to 2015. They're just pretending that it's 2020 to make us relax.
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    Again, good for China. I hope their space exploration missions are successful, push the frontiers of engineering, knowledge and exploration, and take man to where we haven't been before.

    *cheer China !*
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    Ok. You know that the U.S. delivers food to China right? And China delivers goods to U.S. right? Imagine this scenerio: U.S. have a food crisis because the oil that produces fertilizers and pesticides for our modern agriculture is peaked. As a result, the U.S. cannot deliver as much food to China. China, in return, will not deliver goods to U.S. since they have a shortage of food. And then what happens? War time.

    Read this:
    http://www.energybulletin.net/9814.html

    Don't argue anymore because World War 3 actually already started:

    http://www.threeworldwars.com/overview.htm

    The war is just not global enough for the public to notice.

    Still don't trust me? Here you go:

    "Russia and China Activate Ten Combat Divisions to Counter United States as Caspian Oil War Appears Set to Begin"

    http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index779.htm

    Still don't believe me? Wait, let me find more articles. Here:

    "Top Chinese general warns US over attack"
    http://news.ft.com/cms/s/28cfe55a-f4...00e2511c8.html

    Anyways, I'm just saying this is true. It's fact.
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    Anyways, I'm just saying this is true. It's fact.
    Fact or not, it's pointless to speculate. Neither side has a chance of victory. The evil bush will not be in office long enough. The people of either country will not stand for it. These kind of mobilizations happen all the time, they don't often result in anything at all.

    Relax, they sky is not falling.
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    There wont be ANY form of hostilities among the two. AS i see it .. neither CHINA or US will be on the top in 20 years..

    EU? Perhaps - it has good record on human rights against competition (this is actually cool).

    Next superpower comes where a core of talented people with a distinct goal to pump things up appears... Get some dynamics in place. ..
    Want to have unlimited power? Dont stop learning and u'll have it.

    http://science.mojforum.si
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    Quote Originally Posted by funzone36
    Ok. You know that the U.S. delivers food to China right? And China delivers goods to U.S. right? Imagine this scenerio: U.S. have a food crisis because the oil that produces fertilizers and pesticides for our modern agriculture is peaked. As a result, the U.S. cannot deliver as much food to China. China, in return, will not deliver goods to U.S. since they have a shortage of food. And then what happens? War time.
    Yeah, right.

    Even if we are at war, I wish Chinese astronauts the best.

    I don't give a damn about your stupid neo cold war politics. I want man in space, exploring new frontiers. If this means Chinese or Russians or Eritreans, I don't care less. At least we as a human race are doing something to get beyond our atmosphere.
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    I second that stilyene.

    Space exploration is the only thing going on that's real in this whole stupid scenario.

    But, I must admit. I miss Russia. We need a new one, and I hope China is it. It'll get our (the US) lowest common denominator fired up and it'll be beneficial to all of humanity.
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    As a sidenote. I just read in an update on the Japanese probe that Japan is planning to start a moon base in 2025. I'm going to have to do some calculations, because I'm wondering how crowded is too crowded for the moon.
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    I believe that Russia will put a man on mars very soon
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    Will they go for LEO assembly with multiple launches? If not which booster will they use?
    One man? A single crew! Surely not.
    What is very soon? One month? One year? One decade?

    Or, to put it another way. "I really don't think so." They don't have the technology, they don't have the plans, they don't have the money, they don't have the will. I so dearly wish you could prove me wrong, but I fear you can't.
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    I don't think they'll be going to the moon anytime soon, but Iran is now working on a space program.

    CNN.comhttp://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/1...tion=cnn_space

    I guess this is freaking out Israel and some other nations who fear Iran. But:

    AP:
    Iran says it only wants to be able to put its own satellites in space to monitor natural disasters in the earthquake-prone nation and improve its telecommunications.
    Also, some things I wasn't aware of that you may find interesting:

    AP:
    Iran joined the space club last month when it launched its first small satellite, the Sina-1, aboard a Russian rocket... Iran is now the world's 43rd country owning a satellite, but the government aims higher.
    AP:
    Aerospace faculties have mushroomed at Iranian universities in recent years, and Iranian technicians are being trained in Italy, Russia and China on how to design and build satellites. The government has allocated $500 million on space projects for the next five years, Communication Minister Mohammad Soleimani said last week.
    I'd like to welcome them to the club.
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    I am more concerned with the concept of strip mining the moon. I know its big and we probably wont dent it to much, but.... I would be concerned with how mining on the moon could affect gravitational pull, Light reflection etc. Could we by mining on the moon encite some freak weather patterns on earth? A small change in the tidal pattern could force the ocean from its basin. ( i don't mean entirely : P just coastal floodplane stuff) I know this might sound a bit alarmist but if were concered about "the earth for the next thousand years" as the post suggested then we should also consider the long term effects of mining on the moon. Also how are we going to get the fuel back. Will the cost of fuel for the transfer shuttles, cost of the shuttle and maintenance, cost of building the mining facility, cost of running the mining facility, etc etc drive the price of this wonderful fuel up to an uneconomic price. We would be better served as a planet if we could find a way to cost effectively synthesize He3


    In short...

    Perfect fuel - Cheer!!!!
    Space exploration - WooHoo!!!
    Moon Mining - Boooo.....
    War with China - Ouch !!!!!

    PS If as a country and as individual citizens of the country we could rediscover the concept of Honor and Dignity the world would get along better with us.
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