# the big spin

• July 21st, 2008, 01:41 AM
dejawolf
the big spin
i've been reading about the big bang lately, and the curious flatness of it, so that got me thinking.

could it be that the big bang spun the universe into being, and the reason its still rapidly accelerating, is that our space-time is still spinning in a 5th dimension?

what i'm thinking of is, the universe is like a lump of slime. with an extreme viscosity.
and at a certain point it started spinning along an axis, thereby creating the universe.
the spin makes it flatten out along along that axis.

this is just a wild thesis though.
• July 21st, 2008, 04:25 AM
John Galt
Hmmm. More tentative analogy than wild thesis. Youu know, the universe is a giant raisin cake in the oven of creation. That sort of thing. Not really sure where you are trying to go with this - or how the heck you got to the starting point.
• July 21st, 2008, 04:34 AM
Cold Fusion
Its almost pointless to attempt to make a theory for this type of thing. We know so little about the creation of the universe that nothing will get beyond speculation until much much more is learned about everything else.

A good theory of the universe's creation is equal to T. What is needed to get there is a number.

T=1 through 1,000

We have 1-50
• July 21st, 2008, 01:38 PM
kojax
So you'd have to believe in an Aether of sorts. Start that aether spinning and the motions that happen within it are where we get matter? It's an interesting idea. The Michealson-Morley experiment demonstrated that matter either dragged the aether, or the aether didn't exist.

It might still leave room, however, for the possibility that it's the other way around. Matter doesn't drag the aether along with it. The aether drags matter. Hmmm.... maybe....

Fusion's still right, though: all we're going to get any time soon is a "maybe".
• July 21st, 2008, 01:42 PM
Quantime
That is an interesting theory. I adopted the idea not long ago that the universe or planets do not move, but that planets, stars etc cause spacetime to stay still, and any drag creates gravity. Like a black hole for instance, it is a dead door stop in the spacetime continuum, and thus explains the reason why it 'spin's spacetime around it. Its a theory, meh. :?

Who knows, it could be true in some way? http://gopher65.com/images/drwho/DoctorglsssD.gif
• July 22nd, 2008, 03:52 AM
dejawolf
i'm basing this on nothing more than observation.
spherical objects spinning around their own axis stretches out along the equator, and the faster it spins, the more disk-like in appearance they become.
and since the universe is disk-like in shape, i assume it must be spinning.
i haven't done any calculations on it (i can't) or looked at much more than the basic information out there.
there's also the problem that the big bang would have to originate as a sphere with a diameter higher than the disk shapes height.
it could explain dark energy and matter though.
• July 23rd, 2008, 11:15 AM
dejawolf
hmm, does space-time have any implications on actual distance?
• July 23rd, 2008, 12:32 PM
KALSTER
What makes you think the universe is disc shaped? By what effect space-time has on actual distance; do you mean what effect the warping of space has?
• July 23rd, 2008, 12:42 PM
kojax
Geometry is the only thing I don't see addressed, and that may be because I'm not looking deeply enough into it.

I mean, the angle that things appear at when they're far away, and how more things fit into our field of vision at those distances than they do at near distances.
• July 23rd, 2008, 04:23 PM
dejawolf
the disk-shape of the universe is an observation made by astronomers, as in, the galaxies are spread out in a 2-dimensional disk shape, instead of in a 3-dimensional sphere shape, and is a wedge in the wheels of Big bang theory.
• July 23rd, 2008, 05:18 PM
KALSTER
Quote:

Originally Posted by dejawolf
the disk-shape of the universe is an observation made by astronomers, as in, the galaxies are spread out in a 2-dimensional disk shape, instead of in a 3-dimensional sphere shape, and is a wedge in the wheels of Big bang theory.

Do you have a link maybe? Sounds interesting...
• July 23rd, 2008, 08:57 PM
dejawolf
• July 24th, 2008, 03:31 AM
KALSTER
From that same site:

"when we say the universe is flat it is not in the same sense that a piece of paper is flat, but rather means that the geometry of the universe is such that parallel lines will never cross, the angles in a triangle will always add up to 180 degress, and the corners of cubes will always make right angles. We call this kind of geometry (the kind you learned in school) Euclidean geometry."

I am guessing that the extent of the inflationary period has something to do with how "flat" the observable universe is. That is, the larger the total universe is, the flatter the overall space-time curvature will appear.

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and since the universe is disk-like in shape, i assume it must be spinning.
I am not too sure about this either. For the universe to be able to spin, it would have to do so relative to something else. Since there is no "outside" of the universe, what can it be relative to? Also, for it to be able to spin it would have to do so along an axis. An axis implies a centre of the universe, which also does not exist.

As I have it; The only way one could ascribe a sort of shape to the universe would be from the inside, since no outside exists. The way to do that (hypothetically) would be to start from some arbitrary point and move away from it at superluminal speeds. Eventually you would end up where you started. Log the time it took and then take off in another direction. When you have done quite a few of these you could then construct a sort of shape from the different times it took you to traverse the universe. The thing is that in a big bang universe you could do this from any point in the universe and get the same shape.
• July 24th, 2008, 04:35 AM
dejawolf
searched for pictures of the geometry of space, but found this instead:
http://www.astronomy-blog.com/blogs/...omy-facts.html