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  1. #1 SHOULD we feel pride in our Western classical culture? 
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    For about 400 years, the arts and sciences flourished in Europe beginning in Italy and Spain, then spreading up into central and northern Europe, then East into Russia where it died with the Bolshevic Revolution.

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I am proud of this heritage. Even as an atheist, I have walked the halls of the Vatican and filled with pride. I saw three Japanese tourists there with rosaries they thought were necklesses. I felt to myself, "see this, this magnificant temple, it is what we produced!"

    I mention all this because it explains what classicual cultures are. They are the idealistic art of a people proud of their society. Now, we resent and even despise "society", so we cannot produce any more and the few of us left who feel it do not even expect more to be produced here.

    I think serious people can take to appreciating the high culture of every society and see how mangificent is THE HUMAN RACE. We may with good reason now despise our reckless, faltering society, but we can still look back with pride of the accomplishments of the whole human race and think about how we can build a new society to again show what mankind can do.

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    I don't know about the rest of you, but I am proud of this heritage.
    Why?
    Did you cause it?
    Responsible for it in any way, shape or form?

    No.
    You're a consequence of it.

    Pride should be felt for your own accomplishments.

    Do you feel pride that man walked on the moon? You shouldn't. You had nothing to do with it.

    Respect, perhaps.
    But not pride.

    You blur the line between self and other.
    A critical mistake.


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    Quote Originally Posted by invert_nexus
    You blur the line between self and other.
    A critical mistake.
    I disagree, there's nothing wrong with feeling pride in the works of your ancestors. When you're a part of something it's natural to feel pride in the group's accomplishments. Yourself, your family, your friends, your classmates, your age group, your state, your nation, your species - where do you draw the line? Only at yourself? You can't take pride in your child at a piano recital, or at your father giving up drinking? I don't agree, perhaps you just define pride a little more rigidly than most.
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    invert_nexus, I can only agree with you. We may learn lessons and live in the houses of the past, but to feel proud...

    I wonder whether those that do feel pride also feel chilling agony at the blood that spilled to defend that Western Civilisation.. Do you awaken, cold sweat, in the middle of the night and think about Christians hacking into Muslim Turks?
    Severed limbs, burnt carcasses, rolling heads are our legacy.. The buildings are mere consequence.

    The wine is the blood, the blood is the life - drink, drink now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by invert_nexus
    I don't know about the rest of you, but I am proud of this heritage.
    Why?
    Did you cause it?
    Responsible for it in any way, shape or form?

    No.
    You're a consequence of it.

    Pride should be felt for your own accomplishments.

    Do you feel pride that man walked on the moon? You shouldn't. You had nothing to do with it.

    Respect, perhaps.
    But not pride.

    You blur the line between self and other.
    A critical mistake.
    This is an interesting response! It shows you feel no conscious idenitity with your society, culture and civilization. This may be due to an underlying feeling of hostility towards it which is shared by a large segment of the population. People have come to hate "society." I share that, in a way, because it is in such miserable shape now, but even so, I feel apart of it and the trouble it is going through. I don't abandon it because it is in trouble. I can look back and see how it was once the greatest of all and feel apart of that.

    But mainly, I now see myself apart of the while human race and am concerned about our fate as a species---considering the way the Administration is always leading us towards war in an age of nuclear weapons. So, I feel myself to be a citizen of the world.

    Do you feel yourself to be alone and independent of the larger community? You surely know, don't you, that we are apart of society even when we believe we aren't. It would be impossible for any of us to survive without society.

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