Thread: Considering art

Hello guys

Art could be a very subjective topic especially if we were to draw a fine line if it wouldn't be considered as such, hence, I just want to know your opinion regarding this topic.

I for one consider anything as art as long as it be part of a certain genre like music, painting, sculpting, and the like. I will have personal preferences if I would like it or not but nonetheless, I would still consider it as art. But hey, that's just my opinion. What's yours?

If you have a second look at what someone has created that seems to serve no practical purpose, but it has caused you to stop and ponder, then you are probably endowed with Art Appreciation Genes.

If you respond to what you are looking at in an emotional way internally, or even a critical eye that appraises, then you are an aspiring artist yourself. You probably have a talent that will develope into a need if you let it. Or discover it.

The Appreciation of Art is a gift to a good natured person who probably has the sensitivity of a refined nature and the need to make your own way through life. westwind.

not all music is art, not all musicians are artist
the same is true of all the genres from whence the products of which we may derive the term "art"
some artists who I know, say that the art is in the process, not the product---------(i'm on the fence on that one)

for me, "ART" is that which goes beyond the mundane

As Frederick Hart eloquently stated:
"I believe that art has a moral responsibility. It must pursue something higher than it's self. Art must be a part of life. It must exist in the domain of the common man. It must be an enriching, ennobling and vital partner in the public pursuit of civilization. It should be a majestic presence in everyday life just as it was in the past."

art is a means of sharing----something that echoes of the prescence of the cores of our souls

I never fancied myself as an art connoisseur but I've always appreciated the beauty of nature. That's my segue into what I now consider my appreciation for art. All it took was a visit to the National Art Centre located in Ottawa, Canada's capitol city. I went there to see a particular painting that everyone was up in arms about. Seems the taxpayer had forked out a couple million bucks for what amounted to a vertical red line on a white plywood background that spanned about 30 feet in the air. I wish I could remember the name of it but I can't, maybe someone could help. Anyway I had trouble appreciating the work but since I was there I decided to look at everything. What I saw totally enthralled me to the point where I now have several paintings adorning my home. Every one of these works of art I purchased at an art auction. Got so bad that I needed an intervention to keep me away from these events. I only go to charity auctions now, I find some art there very compelling but I am now able to resist the urge to bid on several pieces.

I think more now of the artist and wonder how they're doing. My brother is quite talented. He can draw a circle free hand whereas I can't make a straight line. It's a special skill, transforming your thoughts into an inanimate object of wonder.

Art is not what you see, but what you make others see.
Edgar Degas

A Good artist has less time than ideas.
Martin Kippenberger

. . I have always sought to be understood and, while I was taken to task by critics or colleagues, I thought they were right, assuming I had not been clear enough to be understood. This assumption allowed me to work my whole life without hatred and even without bitterness toward criticism, regardless of its source. I counted solely on the clarity of expression of my work to gain my ends. Hatred, rancor, and the spirit of vengeance are useless baggage to the artist. His road is difficult enough for him to cleanse his soul of everything which could make it more so.
Henri Matisse

Surrealism is destructive, but it destroys only what it considers to be shackles limiting our vision.

I don't do drugs. I am drugs.

Salvador Dali

In a response to a compliment, August Rodin once said:

"genius? what genius, I just copy nature."

Whereas, I copy nature, then change it to what it is that I want to see, or as I think it should look--------including how I landscape, sculpt, or damned near everything else I do.

Find your doorway into the TAO and follow the path that leads to your pleasure------I've found that a lot of others also find pleasure in my labors

Originally Posted by sculptor

not all music is art, not all musicians are artist

Hi sculptor, I'm really a fan of music but would you mind giving examples which music for you is not art? or musicians per se. Perhaps those musicians who release music that aren't even arranged by them, or lyrics not written by them?

Originally Posted by westwind

If you have a second look at what someone has created that seems to serve no practical purpose, but it has caused you to stop and ponder, then you are probably endowed with Art Appreciation Genes.

If you respond to what you are looking at in an emotional way internally, or even a critical eye that appraises, then you are an aspiring artist yourself. You probably have a talent that will develope into a need if you let it. Or discover it.

The Appreciation of Art is a gift to a good natured person who probably has the sensitivity of a refined nature and the need to make your own way through life. westwind.

Appreciation of something could be very subjective. Though makes really sense but if you're an artist, it is really hard to please everyone. I guess it's really hard for you work to be considered as art then..

Originally Posted by zinjanthropos

I think more now of the artist and wonder how they're doing. My brother is quite talented. He can draw a circle free hand whereas I can't make a straight line. It's a special skill, transforming your thoughts into an inanimate object of wonder.

Would you consider your brother to be an artist? Does he do paintings or drawings with his special skill?

Originally Posted by thefreethinker31

Originally Posted by sculptor

not all music is art, not all musicians are artist

Hi sculptor, I'm really a fan of music but would you mind giving examples which music for you is not art? or musicians per se. Perhaps those musicians who release music that aren't even arranged by them, or lyrics not written by them?

I do not wish to be an arbitor of music/art
I prefer the classics, but like some blues-rock-etc if it has what i feel to be a "clean sound"--------a "wall of sound" only works for me if as background to an impassioned singer.
Some people who call themselves artists seem to be hung up on doing things that are different(even if poorly done) or obnoxious and i have little patience for that sort of self indulgence.

I take my art on a piece by piece basis, and find that even the greats are prone to the lure of the marketplace, foregoing art for the quick buck. So not all artist do art all the time.

I'm really a fan of music but would you mind giving examples which music for you is not art?

I'm not sculptor, but one non-artistic music form for me would be those oom-pah-pah brass bands. I realise that marching bands must maintain regular rhythm, but some of the music, or the specific arrangements of music they use, is anything but art. Very much in the journeyman rather than the craftsman, let alone the artist, school of music.

Have you seen the film Brassed Off? If not view it - it would improve your view of brass bands and simultaneously explain to you why I hate Margaret Thatcher.

And yes, hating Margaret Thatcher is an art form.

Originally Posted by John Galt

Have you seen the film Brassed Off? If not view it - it would improve your view of brass bands and simultaneously explain to you why I hate Margaret Thatcher.

And yes, hating Margaret Thatcher is an art form.

I don't know a whole lot about music and I am not a "natural" Tory (UK right winger) and dislike some of their attitudes.
The easy way to answer this is to define what you like as art so I would say that, for me, light orchestral music, as played by "palm court" orchestras, is not art altho' others would disagree.
I would add that left-wing economics would not qualify as either art or science.