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    I mean art is stupid paintings i don't get them some painting are worht as building i mean that is idiotic and theater i think more of a culture than a art music is art but it is cultural brodway is a shere idiotic thing and opera so tell me why are the painting in the last 1500 years so valuable and important.


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    valuation of artwork is a peculiar beasty
    sometimes it reflects the beauty of the work and that makes sense to me
    more often, it has little to do with the art or the artist, and a lot more to do with the artist's name.

    Years ago, I was chatting with Jasper Johns about his monitary success, and he was really ambivalent
    he liked the money and fame, but said "I could swallow paint and puke on the canvas, and people would buy it. I have orders for the next 3 "Jasper Johns"
    When i was struggling, and someone bought a painting, I knew that we had made an aesthetic connection, and they liked my work. Now, that doesn't seem to matter."

    Why do people value anything?
    status?

    "Man does not live by bread alone"
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    Of course with an intro like:
    Art is stupid paintings
    It is unlikely that you and I will ever share anything worthwhile.


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    Humans express themselves through the spoken word, poems, literature, art, music, dance etc.

    Sometimes it is appreciated.
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    Well i don't get it frankly i think it is a waste of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mateja78 View Post
    Well i don't get it frankly i think it is a waste of time.
    Imagine someone you find attractive, beautiful even, now imagine what they look like on a painting, are they not still beautiful?
    Well that it what art is, not necessarily a picture of someone we find attractive as art could be of anything the point being though it will still have that same beauty but just in a different way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mateja78 View Post
    Well i don't get it frankly i think it is a waste of time.
    There are none so blind as those who will not see.

    Hie thee to a museum and stay untill you do get it.

    Or, not.
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    Or i could try to comprahend the theory of relativity?
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    or research the genious of one of your countries ex/pats
    Nikola Tesla(my boyhood hero)

    If you can ever understand how he saw things that no-one else saw and let the basis for our modern society trickle like lightning from his fingertips.
    With every electron wandering down the wires to this keyboard, i praise and reap the rewards of his genious.

    See him as the embodyment of what is best in the genious of all mankind, and the revelations will compare to the best of art created by another aspect of our genious.
    And, then,
    revisit the art
    learn to see through other's eyes
    think through other's brains
    feel through other's senses

    And a satory will open up to the wonders of this existance.

    .................
    or not
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mateja78 View Post
    Or i could try to comprahend the theory of relativity?
    Compared to art, comprehending the theory of relativity is easy!
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    Well Nikola Tesla is my hero and i read his biography but you don't understand that art is something that does not make any sense.
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    Does art have to make sense? Or is art there to convey a feeling or an emotion?

    Are you saying there is no worth to the music I post below? Have a listen to it and see how it makes you feel...

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    And now... this.

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    I was given a print of this Salvador Dai picture and have it in my living room. Everyone who comes into my house always spend time looking at it.

    Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it. - confucius
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    I think my time is better spent in science than in the world of Art's paintings from the medival time are worth nothing to me show me a painting worth 1 milion ton of food and i would throw it in a trash but art from the stone age or the early age when greeks were well Greeks as we know in mythology and video games that art is worth but Mona Lisa no i mean Leonardo just imagined him self as a girl and painted it nothing to worth that much as some thing to feed much of Africa so you see the point show me why is now art important you tell me it makes you feel something it is a expression of the artist but why does he need to express him self explain thar
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    Below is a video of one of the most famous physicists of the 20th Century, Richard Feynman.



    Here is an interview where he makes a comparison between art and science:



    But... when he wasn't winning Nobel prizes, he liked to draw and paint:

    Art by Richard Feynman


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    Any form of art is greatly important, for it shows silent but in its own way quite personally vigorous towards its audience. It is a deep and beautiful expression of one's "self" or "identity".
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    Nah.
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    Yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mateja78 View Post
    Nah.
    Fine. You must be like a vulcan then.. emotionless.. like Mr Spock?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mateja78 View Post
    I think my time is better spent in science than in the world of Art's paintings ...
    Well, you are not going to get far in science without imagination. And if you don't appreciate art, it suggests a severe lack of imagination. Maybe you should consider a career as an actuary (recommended for those who find accountancy too exciting).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mateja78 View Post
    .. it is a expression of the artist but why does he need to express him self explain thar
    Why do you need to express your distaste for art on this forum? Why have you chosen this particualr medium, the written word, to express that distaste? How convincing has this expression of distaste been? Have you convinced any readers that your distaste is justified? How many people have been moved by paintings by artists, both great and small?

    There is an occassion I have related before, I think, on this forum. On my first visit to the Louvre I decided I would not see the Mona Lisa. I felt that surrounded by all the hype I would not be able to look at it simply as a work of art. All the judgements made about it would inform and infect my thinking.

    I wandered into one of the galleries, glancing at each painting in turn. My glance was halted by a portrait that was simply sublime, invested with an ethereal beauty. It took me about 2 seconds to realise I was looking at the Mona Lisa. I treasure those two seconds when I was able to see the painting without the baggage of centuries of commentary, but as new and fresh as the day it was completed and as Leonardo had intended.

    I recommend you go to a gallery and spend time just quietly looking. It might work.
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    Cultures without arts would not only be bland, but pretty much hard to even define as cultures.
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    I Like Ice-Cream Sundays. Three scoops of Ice-Cream, generally for me Vanilla, Two wafers stuck into the Ice-Cream, Strawberry Syrup Topping, Chocolate chips, and crushed nuts liberally sprinkled. Served in a Banana Dish. Small spoon with little dipsm make it last and last. And then there is Art. When the Artwork speaks to you as my Ice-Cream Sundays speak to me there is an inner perception that you experience that is a little wonderment mixed with an communication into your sensous senses. Something speaks to you, calling you home.. For Home is where the Art is. Art, has been imitated and faked and fraudently presented. Genius has been obscured by clutter. Art now has a problem defining itself. The art of appreciating Art is a dying Art. It smackes of Money and Class distinction. Still, I;m prepared to help you out. Now and again when moved to do so by Spitural massage, I shall give you an Art experience, just so you do not become inhuman and incapable of enjoying an Ice-Cream Sunday, westwind.
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    To begin with, we live in an "art" world. I see "art" as "non-verbal communication" (be it sculpture, painting, photography, videography, music, etc). Speech is a human ability, and later came writing — both are "verbal". (Let's not confuse "verbal" (with words) with "oral" (by mouth).) We are surrounded by art and immersed in it.

    No one can deny the inherent value or attractiveness of a natural, healthy, smiling face — and yet, what we see below is only a piece of art ... a photograph. Our facial expressions, our cosmetics, our hair styles, our clothes, etc are a form of "style" in general. And so it is with art and its styles. Some styles reproduce reality more faithfully, others more abstractly. The medium affects style.

    Now that we have radio, TV, photographs and videos, we can re-experience events, both natural and man-made, that we did not — or could not — experience first hand. I couldn't be there when Curiosity landed on Mars, could you? But I saw the photographs from the rover. I couldn't be at Mission Control when Curiosity landed to enjoy the excitement, but I saw the video feed. Today's technology brings us the world in higher fidelity than ever before.

    But before such technology, we had a lesser technology — art. It's style and expressiveness has become and remained a cultural institution. Someone could paint a painting of Mission Control personnel when Curiosity successfully landed, but how would the painting express the exhilaration and accomplishment and camaraderie and the top-of-the-world feeling of the event? Through style. We can't actually re-create the landing and the emotions that accompanied it. We can only try to depict it. We will probably never see a painting of Mission Control when Curiosity landed because video, and even photography, can do a much better job.

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    Art in it's purest form is "The creation of that which evokes an emotional response, leading to thoughts of the noblest kind"
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmonroe View Post
    Now that we have radio, TV, photographs and videos, we can re-experience events, both natural and man-made, that we did not — or could not — experience first hand. I couldn't be there when Curiosity landed on Mars, could you? But I saw the photographs from the rover. I couldn't be at Mission Control when Curiosity landed to enjoy the excitement, but I saw the video feed. Today's technology brings us the world in higher fidelity than ever before.
    I guess the more I think about what you've said the more I realise just indeed how true it is. I feel we are very lucky to live in the age that we do to be so surrounded by art in one form or another, though I also sometimes feel we are a bit spoilt which can make it harder to recognise true greatness when we see it.
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    Originally Posted by jrmonroe

    Now that we have radio, TV, photographs and videos, we can re-experience events, both natural and man-made, that we did not — or could not — experience first hand. I couldn't be there when Curiosity landed on Mars, could you? But I saw the photographs from the rover. I couldn't be at Mission Control when Curiosity landed to enjoy the excitement, but I saw the video feed. Today's technology brings us the world in higher fidelity than ever before.
    And what gave us the idea to land on Mars if it were not for some very good science fiction?

    As far as fidelity, it is true that with todays technology we can reproduce sounds and visuals with a high degree of accuracy. But then we use this technology to listen to sounds with 1 1/2" speakers or earplugs and we adjust our televisions to orange. So, in fact our sense of naturalness is completely obscured and we listen and watch with "half an ear and eyes".

    A true artist is not so much concerned with realism as s/he is with emotional connection to an imaginary or actual event.

    If someone expresses outright aversion to art as a legitimate form of representation of life, then the fault lies with the person making the claim. It is an argument from ignorance and laziness.
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    Why do people usually think of art as painings... Buildings are works of art, poems are... Some just touch your soul on a way, simple imagination on it's own could not. Looking to the paintbrush strokes on a piece of canvas, even looking at a blank piece of paper has some beauty to it. A blank A4 printable paper has potential to be anything. A sketch of a tree, a notepad, a tissue, a fire hazard? I found a box a few years ago, with only popsickle sticks in it. It simply craved for me to pick up the glue, and make the notre-dame out of it.. Which failed miserably, but still i had a good time trying .
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    You are so right, Zwolver.

    Allow me to add music ad sculpture to the list.

    In the end it is nature itself which is the greatest artist. "Natura Artis Magistra"
    Renate Loll (physicist) proposed a fractal universe in the theory of CDT (causal dynamic triangulation)
    Causal dynamical triangulation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    and I'm sure everyone has seen the fractal nature of the world and the incredible beauty it can produce.
    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...=7317&di=12500

    incidentally this lecture by Loll may be of interest.
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    I don't think art is important at all. It simply is. Any interpretation that comes from it is that entirely at your own thought and feelings based on life that you have experienced.

    Art is like gravitational lensing. The artist is a beautiful galaxy, their own ideas, culture memes and images they have in their head created by their own thoughts and feelings through life and their experiences, and that they then radiate as light and colours in all wonderful majestic ways. Your own thoughts and feelings are like a galaxy and gravity perturbations, pertubations of the mind if you will, that are in front of that galaxy millions of light years away, that then makes you see things in the way you do. That is your 'interpretation!'. What they are and what they drew, felt, saw and then left behind is what we call art, (the expression of anothers experiences) which is then distorted by our own feelings and emotions and experiences also. So lots of people get lots and lots of images of what they 'see' when the see art:

    A bit likes this:

    http://physicsforme.files.wordpress....ity-galaxy.jpg

    What do you 'see'?

    I believe people cynical of art have their own artistic flair of plainess, which is an art of itself. One argues they see a ring and others a horseshoe, they will have their debates on each others perspective as to what the original author or vision meant or looks like. And the cynical person of art will state that it is just 'a galaxy' or 'just a cloud', 'just a blob of ink' etc. They see things as they are and get frustrated when others don't see that. Kind of like the others have ice cream and he does not. He cannot see the beauty in the world, which is a form of art in and of itself, because his life, thoughts feelings and experiences led him to have that,

    And was it art that my feelings forced my to leave that sentence with a comma and not a full stop? Ya'll never know NO ONE EVER WILL!!! THAT'S ART!!! LOL
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    Quantime. Best explanation of basic Art urges within the Human Syche(sic) (read feelings, emotional expression ). The need to create creation through the eyes of Astral projection take over of the means of Production, meaning controlling the accessed emotive of a receptive individual with the required desire to express. Van Goph. Pollock. Miro. The Expressionists. You get this don't you Quantime. Tell them( the scientists ), that if they could woo the interest and help of the Astral Projectionists within their discipline formulars would flow from their pens like crayon marks on newly painted walls. But They are the enemies, sworn, of the real creative imagination, so they are destined forever to Gaze at the contributions of others, repeating like parrots... "" Polly wants a Cracker ""... and, unbeknown to themselves they have the power of Art, only They apply it along straight lines... You understand this, don't you Quantime? You tell them to get on their bike and pedal, the wheels being round, not square. westwind.
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    I see the remnants of the death of a star in an unimaginable cataclysmic explosion. The proof of how the universe evolves in an endless cycle of birth, death, and rebirth. It makes me realize how utterly small and insignificant we are in the face of such raw energetic power.
    It makes me think of Einstein's E=Mc^2 and how elegantly this inoccuous equation describes the inherent Potential of the Universe.
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    art as a quest for the aesthetic of beauty no matter the path, be it archetecture, sculpture, landscaping, painting, etc...
    should be a constant and shared goal
    why not make everything more beautiful with every single act.
    beauty shared is something that sings to the soul
    and unites all mankind in an approximation to a shared state of bliss

    or bow down to the "art" of alienation and pray for the ruin and destruction of the species

    beauty or ugliness
    truth or distruction, distrust, and dishonesty

    with each thought and act choose the path you would have the species travel
    (but, then again, I am really biased on this subject, and may be blinded by my aesthetic)
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    Art is effective because it tells us when viewing or listening that individually we are not imagining our abstract conscious awareness and that there are indeed others....our consciousness is fundementally in an undetermined state prior to each conscious moment, and acts in its determined qualitative giving moment, to next moment consciousness. Art links a shared experience in consciousness through whatever evidence is communicated in the work....which is shared and translates mutual experience...not alone or imagining things...the properties in emotion in the art are then in an assumed operational mode and if the management of the shared experience is mutually agreeable, shows perseverance....it is enjoyed in consolation of being right....don't forget we are right machines as well and enjoy ratification all the time, loaded with self compassion art is an easy bribe for a mood swing suggestive
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    Yes sculptor, to make a sad distinction recognizing that there are personalities that instantly respond to emotive stimuli in a positive manner, a pleasurable manner, and there are many among us who fail utterly to see the distraction of beauty. Not only that, but resent the implied value pointed out to them. Just a bloody waste of time, get your arse into gear and keep your mind on the job. Sad. But if ignorance is bliss, maybe this ignorant bliss is suffice enough, and less impeding to the going everywhere and nowhere Philistine. Somebody has to cart the bricks to build the wall that will hang the paintings that will enthrall and enthrall. But not to all. You like this, well sculptor, feel free to use the expression. westwind original thinking.
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    I'm currently taking a class about the issues of child abuse. Art is listed as one of the most effective therapies to help children recover from the emotional trauma associated with sexual and physical abuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    I'm currently taking a class about the issues of child abuse. Art is listed as one of the most effective therapies to help children recover from the emotional trauma associated with sexual and physical abuse.
    A lobotomy would also cure behavioural issues, of any kind whatsoever. Though i think i understand why art helps. As it is processed all over the brain, connecting many parts together, which at that time no longer think of the past when they were abused. It also touched our humanity, even though the best works of art were not created, but formed.





    Just beautifull..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mateja78 View Post
    Well Nikola Tesla is my hero and i read his biography but you don't understand that art is something that does not make any sense.
    I think the part of your brain that can understand the importance of art is not open as yet. Look at it this way, art is sort of your touch on things in life, it is a strong comunicating tool. If you take a painting the art stops time for a moment it is an exsilent way of transporting information through the passage of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Write4U View Post
    I see the remnants of the death of a star in an unimaginable cataclysmic explosion. The proof of how the universe evolves in an endless cycle of birth, death, and rebirth. It makes me realize how utterly small and insignificant we are in the face of such raw energetic power.
    It makes me think of Einstein's E=Mc^2 and how elegantly this inoccuous equation describes the inherent Potential of the Universe.
    I think partly explains a part of the universe Einstein alone cannot explain the potentials of the universe.
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    Postes 38/39. So one could say Art is a form of escapism from the work-a-day world? No. Art expresses something more than that. When what we recognise as Art appears can we make an assumption that true Art comes from some abnormality within the creator's brain? Just something that is unususal and captures some appreciation from another receptive sense awakened in some people? No. The Artist can no more be a Boilermaker or a Rocket Fuelled Test Pilot for NASA. Is a certain IQ required. No. Why cannot we get works of Art from NASA Staff? In the sense of what we talf about as being common Art? Perhaps because their needs of expression exist in an invirionment of achievement already, and their imaginations or innate feelings are more thansatisfied and fulfilled, therefore no need to seek expression elsewhere. Where as the struggling Artist strives to create something beautiful that he can be fulfilled, and can be fulfilling to others. Are we born Artists, or seekers after something that dosen't already exist?? Who, or what, motivates the creator? westwind.
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    Postes 38/39. So one could say Art is a form of escapism from the work-a-day world? No. Art expresses something more than that. When what we recognise as Art appears can we make an assumption that true Art comes from some abnormality within the creator's brain? Just something that is unususal and captures some appreciation from another receptive sense awakened in some people? No. The Artist can no more be a Boilermaker or a Rocket Fuelled Test Pilot for NASA. Is a certain IQ required. No. Why cannot we get works of Art from NASA Staff? In the sense of what we talf about as being common Art? Perhaps because their needs of expression exist in an invirionment of achievement already, and their imaginations or innate feelings are more thansatisfied and fulfilled, therefore no need to seek expression elsewhere. Where as the struggling Artist strives to create something beautiful that he can be fulfilled, and can be fulfilling to others. Are we born Artists, or seekers after something that dosen't already exist?? Who, or what, motivates the creator? westwind.
    WestWind, there are so many ways to understanding what we call art and what it means to us. The astranaut can create art just like anyone else the definition could be left to the creator. I am sure that everyone has some sort of tendency to create something. What do we feel or think when we look at the finished product, does it takes us any where? is it capable of transforming us to another place or time? There are so many questions for example what movtivated the thought and so on. When others see an art expersion it tells them something that might me quite contrary to the creators view. it might even stimulate harmones to flow, move energies from one place to the next, make you cry or even laugh.


    Long ago people did not use words they used wall art to convey messages down the timeline. Today we use words and print these word in books and try to make a picture to fit the words. In other time people had to learn to read the picture and comprehend the whole story. Art is very impressionable it leaves a story on the psychological mind.
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    I haven't read the whole thread, but the title sort of caught me.

    Why is art important?

    I would suppose art to be important to us because it is a form of expression. For humans, expression validates us. A human without a voice, literal or figurative, is diminished.
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    Yeah, but the disadvantage of this art, is that a human can never make clear what they mean. One can only try to propagate on a certain level, and hope it'll stay like this at the end of the receiver.

    I think technical "drawings" build the best picture. Sketches of leonardo 'da vinci really make sense, in a way that he actually invented construction drawings. Hmm
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    As soon as I could drive (quasi-legally), I would ditch school and drive down to Chicago to spend days in the museums, including the one at the art institute.
    One such day, as I rounded a corner, I literally ran into one of my high-school teachers. Nice chappy shooed me away before anyone saw us together, and didn't turn me in. I was drawn to art like flies to shit.

    The problem with technical drawings or blue prints, is that many who look at them only see 2 dimensions.
    Learning to sculpt was in great part "training the artistic eye" which helped me develope better, more thorough, 3d spacial referencing, which helps me see things in 3d before they are even built.

    One of the early phrases that I was exposed to was: "Leave it better than you found it".
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