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    ''Descartes suggested that the body works like a machine, that it has the material properties of extension and motion, and that it follows the laws of physics. The mind (or soul), on the other hand, was described as a nonmaterial entity that lacks extension and motion, and does not follow the laws of physics. Descartes argued that only humans have minds, and that the mind interacts with the body at the pineal gland. This form of dualism or duality proposes that the mind controls the body, but that the body can also influence the otherwise rational mind, such as when people act out of passion. Most of the previous accounts of the relationship between mind and body had been uni-directional.

    Descartes suggested that the pineal gland is "the seat of the soul" for several reasons. First, the soul is unitary, and unlike many areas of the brain the pineal gland appeared to be unitary (though subsequent microscopic inspection has revealed it is formed of two hemispheres). Second, Descartes observed that the pineal gland was located near the ventricles. He believed the animal spirits of the ventricles acted through the nerves to control the body, and that the pineal gland influenced this process. Finally, Descartes incorrectly believed that only humans have pineal glands, just as, in his view, only humans have minds. This led him to the belief that animals cannot feel pain, and Descartes' practice of vivisection (the dissection of live animals) became widely used throughout Europe until the Enlightenment.


    WTF!!! And we call this man a scientist, a smart one at that for his time... I was nearly sick reading this article. I know many bad things have been committed in the history of humans, but vivisections??? I think that's purely sick.

    What is it with human nature? Am i just simply too nice-hearted on the level of how i feel towards animals that cannot defend themselves?

    You can go to hell Descartes!!!! :x


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    The problem with vivisection is when you take a cat apart to see how it works, you’ve got in your hands a non-working cat. I think that's from Hitchhiker's Guide.

    The idea that animals cannot feel pain is still ongoing. How many times have you heard that fish can't feel pain from anglers? I've heard it a couple times. But from an evolutionary standpoint it's probable that "pain" is extremely primal. Probably as far back as the invention of the central nervous system (chordata?).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Numsgil
    The problem with vivisection is when you take a cat apart to see how it works, you’ve got in your hands a non-working cat. I think that's from Hitchhiker's Guide.

    The idea that animals cannot feel pain is still ongoing. How many times have you heard that fish can't feel pain from anglers? I've heard it a couple times. But from an evolutionary standpoint it's probable that "pain" is extremely primal. Probably as far back as the invention of the central nervous system (chordata?).
    For me, i just can't believe the fact tha animal flinching or even giving out screams of pain upon contact was notn evidence enough.
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    The view that animals are automatons was very common at the time.

    DesCartes is better remembered as a mathematician and philosopher, rather than as a biologist, for good reason
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