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    Just an observation....
    How sad is it that the 4 currently most active threads here are nothing but lists? Is this what discussion of aesthetics has come down to? Nothing but a one-sided top tenism?
    Alas, I fear for the future.


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    Lists are usually a good way of starting a discussion; maybe they just don't work on a science forum.


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    Quote Originally Posted by j
    Lists are usually a good way of starting a discussion; maybe they just don't work on a science forum.
    Point taken.
    Still, it seems that for the most part, people here are more concerned with merely 'voicing' their opinions rather than discussing them. This seems to be particularly true when the topic is aesthetics. It's almost gotten to the point where we fear to enter into debate because it's felt that, when it comes to matters of art, there can only be opinions.
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    thats all you can have in any debate, just one persons opinion over another.
    sometimes one side will convince the other with enough evidence to change their opinion but beyond that it's just opinion.
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    I like there is more to debate than just opinion; there are well reasoned opinions, based on carefully researched facts, expressed in well-constructed and logical arguments, and, occasionally, particularly felicitous turns of phrase [which tend to better than evidence for convincing people].

    As for the poverty of artistic discussion here, I can only offer my own reasons; I do not go to art for either intelectual or emotional stimulation, but for comfort and relaxation, so I have no confidence in my taste.

    That's not good at all; I've let myself go intellectually. Even if I only read genre fiction, I can still critically evaluate it.
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    Glaucon, it took me a moment to realise you were referring specifically to the Arts and Culture wing of The Science Forum.
    I am not at all surprised by your finding. The majority of people posting in a Science oriented forum are going to be less interested or trained in the Arts. It is logical that their contributions will therefore be rather lightweight.
    If one wants to discuss these topics in a more in depth manner, then one would tend to go to an Arts Forum. I view it as positive that their is any discussion at all, even if it is along the lines of "Which is your favourite work by El Greco?"

    To echo the remarks of some of the earlier replies it is difficult to discuss Art without resorting to opinion. Certainly one could debate issues of technique (did Canneletto use a camera obscura?), or provenance (is the recovered The Scream really the original?), or influence (what really inspired Dali's surreal perception of the world?), but a large part of Art is about taste - and that means opinions.

    However, I shall post shortly a 'weighty' Art thread. I predict it will not generate any significant response and will die quickly. Time permitting I may post the same item on an Arts forum and see what happens there. If my hypothesis is correct it will provoke much livelier debate there.
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    I've replied, to give people a bit more to respond to; do not eviscerate me.
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    Interestingly enough, it seems the displacement of dialogue with opining is not limited to the arts; the philosophy section has succumbed as well.
    :-)

    Ah well..

    I've actually got a running theory on why this trend is growing, but I have to collect my thoughts more before expounding. Suffice it to say, this trend is catalyzed via technology....
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    I take your absence of comment on my own speculative hypothesis to be the equivalent of outright rejection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    I take your absence of comment on my own speculative hypothesis to be the equivalent of outright rejection.
    Ophiolite: not at all. My lack of comment derives from the fact that I tend to refrain from commenting on those subjects of which I know little. Dali (and fine art in general) and political endowments are certainly 2 of them. For what it's worth, while investment in art objects is highly speculative in nature, I do believe it a worthy endeavor for Governments to persue.
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    Well, you were right; that thread is destined to a lonely end. I would have thought that at least some chemist might have gone off on the advantages and disadvantages of oils v. acrylics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glaucon
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    I take your absence of comment on my own speculative hypothesis to be the equivalent of outright rejection.
    Ophiolite: not at all. My lack of comment derives from the fact that I tend to refrain from commenting on those subjects of which I know little. .
    I expressed myself unclearly. I was talking of my explanation of why the Art forum seemed to be largely filled with opinion polls. I argued it was because scientists and those interested in science are generally less knowledgable about art and so will tend to focus on opinions. I wondered what you thought of that thesis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    I take your absence of comment on my own speculative hypothesis to be the equivalent of outright rejection.
    Ophiolite: not at all. My lack of comment derives from the fact that I tend to refrain from commenting on those subjects of which I know little. .
    I expressed myself unclearly. I was talking of my explanation of why the Art forum seemed to be largely filled with opinion polls. I argued it was because scientists and those interested in science are generally less knowledgable about art and so will tend to focus on opinions. I wondered what you thought of that thesis.
    Aaaah. I see.
    Well, now we're heading into the old 'arts vs. science' debate, which filled up quite a bit of my Undergraduate time. Personally, I've never had any problem reconciling the two perspectives; I have a Degree in Philosophy, my full time job is as a research and development chemist, and my part time job is as a photographer. Science as a discipline developed from the 'natural sciences' of Aristotelian Philosophy and as such, was just one aspect of the attempt to understand our world and what we encounter in it. One of the most significant aspects of human life, throughout history, and spanning all cultures, has always been, and continues to be 'art' in all its forms. How one could purport to being a scientist and ignore the most significant and prevalent means by which humans express themselves seems to me to be highly unscientific. Nevertheless, although I would have to agree with your thesis, it is interesting then, how people who supposedly understand the scientific method, and its 'need' for objectivity could be remotely interested in, or indeed even recognize the value of Opinion.

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