Thread: Could there be other kind of life/civilizations in our past?

Hello everybody,

Yesterday i read in my dinosaurs encyclopedia that we discover only 0.0001 remains of all animals that just to live on our planet.
Could it be that there are completely new kind of life or civilizations buried in ground?

What do you think?

i do not think so. scientists have found fossils all the way back to first life. but never once any signs or fossils or relics of a civilization.

scientists have not even found all the life that exists on planet earth now. new species are found every day. so it is almost certainty that life forms have lived that we have not yet found proofs. but i do not think intelligent civilization-creating life forms have existed before us. i have found this link that states 20,000 new species found in one year http://io9.com/5877595/meet-the-2000...-a-single-year

Originally Posted by Chucknorium

i do not think so. scientists have found fossils all the way back to first life. but never once any signs or fossils or relics of a civilization.

Very smart thinking

Originally Posted by Chucknorium

i do not think so. scientists have found fossils all the way back to first life. but never once any signs or fossils or relics of a civilization.

a mistake made here. should be 'first complex life' instead of 'first life' first life would have been some proto-one-cell life form

Originally Posted by Chucknorium

Originally Posted by Chucknorium

i do not think so. scientists have found fossils all the way back to first life. but never once any signs or fossils or relics of a civilization.

a mistake made here. should be 'first complex life' instead of 'first life' first life would have been some proto-one-cell life form

I agree.
But what about oceans?
People couldn't dig in bottom of the oceans,right?

Have you been watching "Ancient Aliens" again

Originally Posted by Tyrannosaurus Rex

I agree.
But what about oceans?
People couldn't dig in bottom of the oceans,right?

some land masses now were once ocean bottoms from tecktonic plates moving and crashing into and under each other. so yes, scientists have dug there. also, it does not seem likely that ocean-living life could create civilizations. this is a popular sciencefiction story but i do not think it can happen.

Originally Posted by PhDemon

Have you been watching "Ancient Aliens" again

Hihihi no not this time.
I read dino encyclopedia,and i was also watching "George Dinosaur Blasing Q&A.
He is paleontologist who started answering questions back in 2009.
I was one of the lucky guys who get their question answered in his youtube videos.
He was main reason why i get thinking there could be new life form on prehistoric Earth.
Im not sure in which video he said that because he have about 140 videos.

Based on the evidence from Göbekli Tepe, ("the older 'temple' was the best constructed")under the waves the evidence for older sapiens civilization(s?) likely awaits our discovery.

Originally Posted by sculptor

Based on the evidence from Göbekli Tepe, ("the older 'temple' was the best constructed")under the waves the evidence for older sapiens civilization(s?) likely awaits our discovery.

Thanks for the info.
I just started watching documentary about Göbekli Tepe,and it's pretty interesting.
Narrator said that they used "ground sonar"so they estimate it was 300x300 meters.
Is there any explanation about that place,like what was the purpose?

I believe Klaus referred to it as a "temple" but, that is speculation.
The problem derives from our concept "temple". Did the people who built the many versions intend it(them) as we would appreciate the concept "temple"?
Due to the timing of the construction, it seems likely that it reflected something before it's self(lost now under the ocean's waves). But, that too is speculation.

No, there is absolutely no evidence that there were sapient civilizations prior to Homo sapiens.

There have never been any fossils implying the existence of artificially-created structures. No tools, no huts, nothing.

I just started to watch George Blasing's Q&A,and i found video that makes me open this thread.
Here is a link of it:

DG47 - YouTube

If you don't want to watch whole videos fast forward it from 5:50 to 7:15 min.

What does the video assert?

Originally Posted by Paleoichneum

No, there is absolutely no evidence that there were sapient civilizations prior to Homo sapiens.

What does sapient mean? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sapient

Definition of SAPIENT possessing or expressing great sagacity
Synonyms: discerning, insightful, perceptive, prudent, sagacious, sage, wise.

You just looked up what sapient means, so why did you ask what it means?

Originally Posted by Paleoichneum

You just looked up what sapient means, so why did you ask what it means?

I wanted to know what it meant. So what does civilization mean? Like is a hive of bees a civilization? What is the minimum for a civilization?

~ That we are the descendants of the 'Borg' Hive.. Hmm.. Hm well., ~ no we are not.
That substantial fossil record has been found and documented. Read 'Dawkings.'
There is no gap or lost tribe or link un found. You want to find intelligence in the oceans.
Talk with some Dolphins.. and I am just kidding

Originally Posted by Paleoichneum

No, there is absolutely no evidence that there were sapient civilizations prior to Homo sapiens.

I have never heard this before but this commentator, Mycologist Paul Stamets, says mycelium are sentient!

Originally Posted by astromark

Talk with some Dolphins.. and I am just kidding

One can on the other hand listen to dolphins and try to figure out what they are saying:
Dolphin whistle instantly translated by computer - life - 26 March 2014 - New Scientist

Originally Posted by Robittybob1

Originally Posted by Paleoichneum

No, there is absolutely no evidence that there were sapient civilizations prior to Homo sapiens.

I have never heard this before but this commentator, Mycologist Paul Stamets, says mycelium are sentient!

Where did he make such a claim and what are his arguments that speak in favor of that idea?

Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum

Where did he make such a claim and what are his arguments that speak in favor of that idea?

Here.
Then again, that particular publication contains more than a little woo.

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum

Where did he make such a claim and what are his arguments that speak in favor of that idea?

Here.
Then again, that particular publication contains more than a little woo.

First of all, it is odd that that claim is made in bold, and then it is never brought up again in the text.
Actually, how can we assess that that particular quote was made by Stamets, and not by the author of the article?

Speaking of the author, I have not found any links to her academic credentials, only other like-minded websites.

Originally Posted by cogito ergo sum

speaking of the author, i have not found any links to her academic credentials, only other like-minded web WOOsites.

fify

Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum

Speaking of the author, I have not found any links to her academic credentials, only other like-minded websites.

Dr. Regina Jensen holds licenses as a psychotherapist, physical therapist, certifications as Master Executive Coach, and Somatic therapies.

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum

Speaking of the author, I have not found any links to her academic credentials, only other like-minded websites.

Dr. Regina Jensen holds licenses as a psychotherapist, physical therapist, certifications as Master Executive Coach, and Somatic therapies.

Yes, but I cannot find where (e.g. an official university) she acquired her Ph.D.

Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum

Yes, but I cannot find where (e.g. an official university) she acquired her Ph.D.

Call me biased, but a PhD in psychotherapy isn't worth much regardless of which university it's from.

ETA: I do find it curious, however that, despite the repetition of "PhD" at the end of her name in practically all the references I find about her the little self-penned "bio" doesn't actually mention a degree, just certificates and licences.

Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum

Originally Posted by astromark

Talk with some Dolphins.. and I am just kidding

One can on the other hand listen to dolphins and try to figure out what they are saying:
Dolphin whistle instantly translated by computer - life - 26 March 2014 - New Scientist

Originally Posted by Robittybob1

Originally Posted by Paleoichneum

No, there is absolutely no evidence that there were sapient civilizations prior to Homo sapiens.

I have never heard this before but this commentator, Mycologist Paul Stamets, says mycelium are sentient!

Where did he make such a claim and what are his arguments that speak in favor of that idea?

It was in a Ted Talk YouTube on fungi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI5frPV58tY he didn't offer any exact proof, but just said they were sentient. I thought that was rather interesting and weird since some of them produce psychoactive chemicals.

Stamets is amazing.
I have ordered mushrooms from his fungi perfecti.
Really great stuff.

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum

Yes, but I cannot find where (e.g. an official university) she acquired her Ph.D.

Call me biased, but a PhD in psychotherapy isn't worth much regardless of which university it's from.

ETA: I do find it curious, however that, despite the repetition of "PhD" at the end of her name in practically all the references I find about her the little self-penned "bio" doesn't actually mention a degree, just certificates and licences.

In other words, it is very likely she made it up in order to give her articles more support.

Originally Posted by Robittybob1

It was in a Ted Talk YouTube on fungi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI5frPV58tY he didn't offer any exact proof, but just said they were sentient. I thought that was rather interesting and weird since some of them produce psychoactive chemicals.

Yet, you and I both know that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum

Yes, but I cannot find where (e.g. an official university) she acquired her Ph.D.

Call me biased, but a PhD in psychotherapy isn't worth much regardless of which university it's from.

ETA: I do find it curious, however that, despite the repetition of "PhD" at the end of her name in practically all the references I find about her the little self-penned "bio" doesn't actually mention a degree, just certificates and licences.

In other words, it is very likely she made it up in order to give her articles more support.

Originally Posted by Robittybob1

It was in a Ted Talk YouTube on fungi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI5frPV58tY he didn't offer any exact proof, but just said they were sentient. I thought that was rather interesting and weird since some of them produce psychoactive chemicals.

Yet, you and I both know that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

It certainly was an extraordinary claim. I would like to know how he came by that idea. Can fungi mycelia really sense an animals presence? I have an extreme interest in fungi but I have not really understood the mycelia stage as yet, I am more interested in the fruiting bodies (the mushrooms).
It was taking it a bit too far just to say there is a similarity to the brain networks, so therefore since the brain is sentient so is a mycelium.

From wikipedia on mycelium

Mycelium is the vegetative part of a fungus, consisting of a mass of branching, thread-like hyphae. The mass of hyphae is sometimes called shiro, especially within the fairy ring fungi.

as an aside comment.
I saw a fairy ring the other day where it was growing in gravel beside the driveway. It had me amazed how from underneath the ground it was able to complete a ring formation. There are some mysteries that amaze.
The grass in the ring was greener and longer than the rest. The fungi seemed to be assisting the plant growth in that ring formation.

Originally Posted by Robittybob1

The grass in the ring was greener and longer than the rest. The fungi seemed to be assisting the plant growth in that ring formation.

rabbits keep cropping the grass, but do not eat the fungi, allowing them to grow through their competition to tower, relatively, above the grass. By the time a circle of mushrooms reaches about 6 metres (20 ft) in diameter, rabbit droppings have replenished the nitrogen levels near the centre of the circle

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

Originally Posted by Robittybob1

The grass in the ring was greener and longer than the rest. The fungi seemed to be assisting the plant growth in that ring formation.

rabbits keep cropping the grass, but do not eat the fungi, allowing them to grow through their competition to tower, relatively, above the grass. By the time a circle of mushrooms reaches about 6 metres (20 ft) in diameter, rabbit droppings have replenished the nitrogen levels near the centre of the circle

That effect might be driven by rabbits in some countries but at my place all I could think was "did the pony not like the grass in the fairy ring?". I had considered that. For if it really did improve fertility that would be beneficial, but if the growth is just a result of not being eaten by animals that is a negative.
So they are spreading outward. OK.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fa...choolField.jpg

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

rabbits keep cropping the grass, but do not eat the fungi, allowing them to grow through their competition to tower, relatively, above the grass. By the time a circle of mushrooms reaches about 6 metres (20 ft) in diameter, rabbit droppings have replenished the nitrogen levels near the centre of the circle

....^{[citation needed]}

dan
the duck's text is a link to wikipedia

Originally Posted by dan hunter

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

rabbits keep cropping the grass, but do not eat the fungi, allowing them to grow through their competition to tower, relatively, above the grass. By the time a circle of mushrooms reaches about 6 metres (20 ft) in diameter, rabbit droppings have replenished the nitrogen levels near the centre of the circle

....^{[citation needed]}

Given the placement of that requirement I took it to refer to the part I omitted: "and a secondary ring may start to grow inside the first".

~ Or the footprint of alien landings.. naa. ~
Just as with astronomy, I have been heard telling a young visitor to the Observatory that has just asked of aliens and sightings I just reply that many things have a explanations we might not yet grasp.. The ripe spores arc of travel seems to be a well considered aspect. A walk near to a 'Toy-toy' bush on a sandy dune.. What makes the curved line of new plants.. air movement and bird droppings and just how fare the seeds get. The one thing from all of these things I gleam is that the simple answer is usually the right one.

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

Originally Posted by dan hunter

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

rabbits keep cropping the grass, but do not eat the fungi, allowing them to grow through their competition to tower, relatively, above the grass. By the time a circle of mushrooms reaches about 6 metres (20 ft) in diameter, rabbit droppings have replenished the nitrogen levels near the centre of the circle

....^{[citation needed]}

Given the placement of that requirement I took it to refer to the part I omitted: "and a secondary ring may start to grow inside the first".

So if you cut out sections of the ring can they be transplanted to other locations? The grass in the ring was considerably greener and longer than the material around it and it produced edible mushrooms as well.
Some of the rings in the Wikipedia link were of varieties unfamiliar to me, so be very careful about eating wild mushrooms.

Originally Posted by astromark

~ That we are the descendants of the 'Borg' Hive.. Hmm.. Hm well., ~ no we are not.
That substantial fossil record has been found and documented. Read 'Dawkings.'
There is no gap or lost tribe or link un found. You want to find intelligence in the oceans.
Talk with some Dolphins.. and I am just kidding

Do you think Dolphins are the best ones to ask?

Originally Posted by Stargate

Originally Posted by astromark

~ That we are the descendants of the 'Borg' Hive.. Hmm.. Hm well., ~ no we are not.
That substantial fossil record has been found and documented. Read 'Dawkings.'
There is no gap or lost tribe or link un found. You want to find intelligence in the oceans.
Talk with some Dolphins.. and I am just kidding

Do you think Dolphins are the best ones to ask?

It is a lot harder to look a Whale in the eyes. I don't trust sharks as far as I could kick them.

Originally Posted by Robittybob1

Originally Posted by Stargate

Originally Posted by astromark

~ That we are the descendants of the 'Borg' Hive.. Hmm.. Hm well., ~ no we are not.
That substantial fossil record has been found and documented. Read 'Dawkings.'
There is no gap or lost tribe or link un found. You want to find intelligence in the oceans.
Talk with some Dolphins.. and I am just kidding

Do you think Dolphins are the best ones to ask?

It is a lot harder to look a Whale in the eyes. I don't trust sharks as far as I could kick them.

Some people do not trust people. If you looked a shark in the eyes he would know that he could not trust you.

Originally Posted by Stargate

Originally Posted by Robittybob1

Originally Posted by Stargate

Originally Posted by astromark

~ That we are the descendants of the 'Borg' Hive.. Hmm.. Hm well., ~ no we are not.
That substantial fossil record has been found and documented. Read 'Dawkings.'
There is no gap or lost tribe or link un found. You want to find intelligence in the oceans.
Talk with some Dolphins.. and I am just kidding

Do you think Dolphins are the best ones to ask?

It is a lot harder to look a Whale in the eyes. I don't trust sharks as far as I could kick them.

Some people do not trust people. If you looked a shark in the eyes he would know that he could not trust you.

I'll take your word for that. Just don't expect me to prove it.