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    To be blunt your current conclusion is bollocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    To be blunt your current conclusion is bollocks.
    Hehehe.
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    How scientific
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    I agree Paleo is flogging a dead horse, you have shown in this thread trying to educate you is a waste of time. You are like theorist but with better spelling. • Ignore list•
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    Quote Originally Posted by samsmoot View Post
    How scientific
    Its about as scientific as saying "I dont understand, but my conclusion is that everyone is being lied to".

    I have provided data to show how your conclusion is wrong , and your response has been to ignore it and say "vast global conspiracy"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
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    How scientific
    your response has been to ignore it and say "vast global conspiracy"
    I said that did I? I think you will find that I didn't. If you'd like to reference the post wherein I said those words I will apologise for getting it wrong. Before you do that you might want to check that it wasn't a phrase which you inferred. I think that may be the explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samsmoot View Post
    I said that did I? I think you will find that I didn't. If you'd like to reference the post wherein I said those words I will apologise for getting it wrong.
    You said:

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    So the general public are being misled, is my conclusion.
    This appears to imply the will to deceive on behalf of scientists, thus they use the term "fish-like gill slits" to satisfy some ulterior motive OR it implies that scientists in biology are too stupid to come up with a better term to use, such as pharyngeal arches.

    The latter would be untrue because scientists did in fact come up with a different term to use. Thus, the logical conclusion is that anyone who takes "fish-like gill slits" literally at first glance without any attempt to discern form and function is intellectually lazy or enjoys arguing semantics for some incomprehensible reason.

    Paleo was wrong in what he said. You actually have two choices. You're either implying a global deception on behalf of the biological sciences or you're a raging buffoon. Hope that clears things up.
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    You specifically claim the public is being lied to. This would mean that the whole of the biology community is actively acting to present false information to the world in an organised and concerted effort.

    Why do you not understand that the information was a dumbed down version for the average population, and not meant as an exact and true in every sense definition?
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    From the above post I infer your agreement that I never said, "vast global conspiracy".
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    Quote Originally Posted by samsmoot View Post
    From the above post I infer your agreement that I never said, "vast global conspiracy".
    Roger. Option 2 it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samsmoot View Post
    From the above post I infer your agreement that I never said, "vast global conspiracy".
    Not in that exact phrasing. BUT the implication was very clear, and that is the ONLY way that your assertion of the public being mislead works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    It's time to accept the answers which have been provided and move on.


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    I do accept what I have been told - and it's concluded.

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    OK then, so let's move on...

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    We can disagree about the interpretation of the evidence given and now move on.

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    But as you suggested, we should move on.

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    ...any more analysis or opinion is not really necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samsmoot View Post
    I do accept what I have been told - and it's concluded.
    Somewhat dishonest of you:
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    I'd be happy if you would accept that I have as complete an understanding as I need to form an opinion of what has been said.
    And the opinion you formed happened to be...
    the general public are being misled, is my conclusion
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    Quote Originally Posted by samsmoot View Post
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    It's time to accept the answers which have been provided and move on.


    Quote Originally Posted by samsmoot View Post
    I do accept what I have been told - and it's concluded.

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    OK then, so let's move on...

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    We can disagree about the interpretation of the evidence given and now move on.

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    But as you suggested, we should move on.

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    ...any more analysis or opinion is not really necessary.
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    If you are going to continue to ask asinine questions, argue semantics, and stubbornly refuse all knowledge presented to you then there really is no point in continuing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    I do accept what I have been told - and it's concluded.
    Somewhat dishonest of you:
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    I'd be happy if you would accept that I have as complete an understanding as I need to form an opinion of what has been said.
    And the opinion you formed happened to be...
    the general public are being misled, is my conclusion
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    Off to the ignore list.
    Did that not work then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    there really is no point in continuing.
    Apparently not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
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    Are fossils the only evidence for evolution or indeed are they the strongest evidence for evolution?
    The fossil evidence probably isn't even the strongest anymore...genetic evidence is even more compelling.For a quite simplified explanation for the scope of evidence:http://www.astro.umd.edu/~miller/tea...9/slides08.pdf
    Hi Lynn.I was looking through the slideshow (thanks for that) and noticed the one about Pharyngeal Slits in human embryos. I had to stop there and get back on here to ask a question: Is this slideshow image accurate? Do human embryos have fish-like gills?
    Yes humans do have pharangyl slits as do all chordate members. As a note parangyl slits are not the same as gill slits. They develop into gill slits in many aquatic chordate taxa but into neck and ear structures in many terrestrial taxa
    Surely though, pharyngeal slits would be needed in a case where the embryo is developing in a fluid substance until the lungs develop but we cant argue against the fact that we do indeed start of as a kind of fish/tadpole (in sperm). I believe and I can't see any other logical explanation that goes against the fact that we evolved from a process involving water/rocks/bacteria and other...

    Can you?

    In fact, I think it is so 'In our face' we over look it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    Surely though, pharyngeal slits would be needed in a case where the embryo is developing in a fluid substance until the lungs develop
    That would only be true if the pharyngeal arches functioned as gills. Blood is oxygenated by the mother so the fetus doesn't need to breathe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
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    Surely though, pharyngeal slits would be needed in a case where the embryo is developing in a fluid substance until the lungs develop
    That would only be true if the pharyngeal arches functioned as gills. Blood is oxygenated by the mother so the fetus doesn't need to breathe.
    I did think of that after I wrote it but then, what about the transitional period going from testicles to womb/ovary/egg it needed to get what was required to stay fertile, correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    I did think of that after I wrote it but then, what about the transitional period going from testicles to womb/ovary/egg it needed to get what was required to stay fertile, correct?
    Spermatozoa do not have gills or lungs. They do not breathe at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
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    Surely though, pharyngeal slits would be needed in a case where the embryo is developing in a fluid substance until the lungs develop
    That would only be true if the pharyngeal arches functioned as gills. Blood is oxygenated by the mother so the fetus doesn't need to breathe.
    I did think of that after I wrote it but then, what about the transitional period going from testicles to womb/ovary/egg it needed to get what was required to stay fertile, correct?
    As already noted, sperm do not breath at all. and are nourished by the seminal fluids.

    Also of note mosses, ferns, cycads, and Ginkgos all have flagellated sperm too, but we did not evolve from them at all.
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    What does sperm need to stay active?
    What is the purpose for pharyngeal slits? are they a remanant of physiological change in the evolutionary processes?

    We posted at same time.
    Forget my first question. Unless anyone else wants to counter debate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    What does sperm need to stay active?
    What is the purpose for pharyngeal slits? are they a remanant of physiological change in the evolutionary processes?

    We posted at same time.
    Forget my first question. Unless anyone else wants to counter debate?
    Sperm need simple sugars and water to use in cell metabolism.

    pharyngeal arches become a number of structures in different chordate groups, and no they are not remnants at all. in humans they become a number of ear and neck bones/structres
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
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    What does sperm need to stay active?
    What is the purpose for pharyngeal slits? are they a remanant of physiological change in the evolutionary processes?

    We posted at same time.
    Forget my first question. Unless anyone else wants to counter debate?
    Sperm need simple sugars and water to use in cell metabolism.

    pharyngeal arches become a number of structures in different chordate groups, and no they are not remnants at all. in humans they become a number of ear and neck bones/structres
    The basic building blocks of life itself.

    I learned about this in biology, we covered proteins and amino acids etc and the digestive system and we did tests on the effects of albumen etc..
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    What is the relevance of your post?
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