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    When humans though about entities like angels, ghosts or something for the 1st time? Where and when the 1st religion on Earth has been created?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hymenophyllum View Post
    When humans though about entities like angels, ghosts or something for the 1st time?
    I would say when the first human imagination ran wild from assigning various attributes to figments of their imagination.

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    Where and when the 1st religion on Earth has been created?
    Did you mean organized religion or something along the lines of folk religion; like deifying cultural heroes?

    Speaking from the Chinese culture, there has been a long history of cultural/historical hero worship when these figures are (sorta) "worshiped" for the attributes they represent; such as justice, loyalty, filial piety, etc. One of the more common ones that comes to mind is that of Guan Gong for his numerous attributes of bravery, heroism, compassion, loyalty (brotherhood), martial powers, etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hymenophyllum View Post
    When humans though about entities like angels, ghosts or something for the 1st time? Where and when the 1st religion on Earth has been created?
    I think it started when the first human evolved from the common ancestor of Apes and humans, he asked himself "who i am ? , what the f*** i am doing here ?"

    And humans are still asking till today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truthfinder View Post
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    When humans though about entities like angels, ghosts or something for the 1st time? Where and when the 1st religion on Earth has been created?
    I think it started when the first human evolved from the common ancestor of Apes and humans, he asked himself "who i am ? , what the f*** i am doing here ?"

    And humans are still asking till today.
    You've just reminded me of a video on youtube where chimps were observed looking up at a waterfall in amazement and moving about almost as if in a sort of dazed state.

    I think it was posted by someone on this forum but I can't remember the thread.
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    Religion is man-made, but then I'd say as humans developed more complex societies we had religion as we know it today.

    I'm not a paleo-anthropologist, but then I believe that the canon states we became behaviourally modern about 50,000 years ago, in which we started to show abstract thought, art, culture, etc. Prior homo sapiens (from Omo to 50,000 years ago), heidelbergensis, erectus, etc. have no evidence of this as such (though they may but we have no fossil evidence to say). So probably after we became behavioually modern did we start to develop religion as we know it today, with the rules, rituals and stuff.

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    Superstition takes more forms than just religion. It's a place holder for phenomena that are not yet explainable to a cause, but which appear to have effects. Like lightning. Sure Thor probably isn't creating the thunder by swinging his hammer at the Frost Giants, but it is still loud, and it still can be used to judge how far away the lightning is. So, in order to get past the brain's need for an explanation, we tell ourselves a story, and then include in that story all the facts we can verify, spinning it right alongside the guesswork that we can't verify.


    I've seen children do something similar in their make-believe games. They take facts they have recently learned, and then make up a story in their fantasy world about those facts. If you play the game with them, they'll posit their hypotheses about those things as they make up the story, and then you can correct them without hurting the child's feelings (because this is all make believe after all.) They don't have to feel dumb for being wrong.
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    There are numerous physiological quirks which may have kicked some religious feelings off. Like the hallucinations (paranoid) that accompany sleep paralysis. Like schizophrenia and the voices that accompany it. I am sure many of the old prophets were simply schizophrenic. And more.

    If I am right, then these experiences could have been used to start religious beliefs as soon as pre-humans had enough language to communicate complex ideas. Since no-one knows how long ago that was, we cannot answer the question, but it may have been several million years back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hymenophyllum View Post
    When humans though about entities like angels, ghosts or something for the 1st time? Where and when the 1st religion on Earth has been created?
    Wouldn't be surprising if it probably predates humans--somewhere between modern humans and an ancestor that might have been something like modern bonobo who've been seen spending seemingly contemplative moments near unusual features in their natural environment--such as near a large waterfall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    There are numerous physiological quirks which may have kicked some religious feelings off. Like the hallucinations (paranoid) that accompany sleep paralysis. Like schizophrenia and the voices that accompany it. I am sure many of the old prophets were simply schizophrenic. And more.

    If I am right, then these experiences could have been used to start religious beliefs as soon as pre-humans had enough language to communicate complex ideas. Since no-one knows how long ago that was, we cannot answer the question, but it may have been several million years back.
    Dreams alone must have seemed really bizarre to early man. How could one not believe in spirits or other magical worlds if it seemed as though one spent 1/3 of ones life in one?

    Death, birth, natural phenomena, the seasons, disease, coincidences, good fortune while hunting, sudden bad weather, all must have begged for some explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hymenophyllum View Post
    When humans though about entities like angels, ghosts or something for the 1st time? Where and when the 1st religion on Earth has been created?
    Sumerians have made the beginning of the old testament, with stories like the ark, and the tower of babel. Also they speak of a holy entity, a spirit, a winged man, and many hybrid animals, which have been enveloped into greek and roman culture and myth.

    I think it's all about interpretation. One said a being, other heard an entity, recreates the story and some interpret it as a spirit, next, it's a ghost, where it's like a transparant person, who once lived, say a soul.

    A story comes and goes, and gets molded by any who listen and recite it. A story lives, sort of. When you write it down, it dies.

    The first religion, is hard to grasp. I think the first real religion was worshipping the sun, fertility and death. In ancient afrika, about 12.000 years ago.. This whole slowly structured into building temples, and complicated sacrificial rituals where the pharao's, 5000-6000 years ago, peaked this.
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    The belief in "airy people" angles, devils, Djinn etc seems to start in the middle east, a largely desert region prone to the "dust devil" phenonmenon. This is similar but distinct from the belief in "little people" that grew up in the densly forested region of Europe.
    The wings of "angels" may very well have been a misunderstanding of a convention of babalonian art. The spirits who were shown attending to the king in their art are shown with wings when they are shown flying up to heaven to bring instructions to and from the gods and without wings when in heaven or on earth. The wings being an artistic convention showing flight.
    See also the connection that makes St Lucia the patron saint of bakers.
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    I cant help but think the development of religion has a lot to do with death and trying to make sense of it. Although it's hard to remember our own early childhood experiences, many parents can recall their child's first encounter with death - the combination of shock and curiosity with seeing a dead bird or squirrel, and realizing that something that was alive and moving around, isn't anymore. Even my cats seemed perplexed and even sober when my border collie died.

    Religious symbols and artifacts seem to coincided with the development of rituals surrounding death, and it may go back farther in our evolution than early humans. This is an interesting article:

    What Death Means to Primates - Wired Science
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