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Thread: History Channel is Really Ruining the Public's Idea of Science

  1. #1 History Channel is Really Ruining the Public's Idea of Science 
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    A relative of mine recently started watching History Channel's "Ancient Aliens" show. Many of my friend's acquaintances and relatives have also been watching the show, and now are completely convinced that everything said in it is true. (Oh, lord.) The show relates religion to our ancestors' technological advancements, architecture, culture, beliefs, rituals, and other aspects of their lives, and convinces the audience that the gods they believe in are in fact, actually aliens, and all the incredible things our ancestors have done and discovered are the work of aliens.

    When I was having a conversation with my relative, he said, "You know, aliens built the pyramids."
    I just looked at him extremely skeptically and said, "What do you mean?"
    He replied, "It wasn't the Egyptians or their slaves that built them. You know the gods they believe in? They are really just aliens that they mistook for gods, and they helped the Egyptians build them. Humans couldn't have done all of that on their own. Aliens needed to help them."
    And so I said, "Humans actually could have done that. They had simple but very effective inventions that helped them build them. Plus, there were many, many workers. There are books on the process, actually."
    And he said, "No, no, that's not true. How could humans do all of that? They can't! It's impossible. It's aliens."
    After arguing with him about how they could, and realizing that I couldn't convince him, I said, "Okay, fine. Tell me this. Was there actual, sound evidence given?"
    And he said, "Yeah, yeah, everything."
    And I said, "Did you check the evidence out? Like look at the source, whether it could be tested again, whether it follows the scientific process and everything?"
    And he said, "Yeah, yeah they did that."
    I asked, "Did you check, though?"
    He said, "Yeah, they did." (I asked several times clarifying whether they presented the actual evidence to him and whether he actually saw it, but it turned out to be that he just believed it if they said, "This evidence proves that...").

    I was so infuriated.

    There are so many viewers on this channel, watching, and believing all of this nonsense. Now, I'm not saying aliens couldn't have come here. There isn't evidence proving that they did, but there is always possibility - but it can only be true when we find evidence.

    The general public DOES NOT have critical thinking. Now, let me clarify this - my relative is actually around 40 - 50 years old, and has gone to a very good college, and has a masters degree. I was so shocked to hear that, while he was quite educated, he still believed this. History channel has really gone downhill, but now it's just taking advantage of the public's idiotic thought process. BECAUSE the general public does not have critical thinking, or generally isn't educated in very much, one another note, they can't even look at data properly, and always sway to other politicians based on ridiculous terms, and vote for things they don't even fully understand.

    Things like these just makes me want to die. Or just leave everyone else and go to a much more educated world.


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    The general public DOES NOT have critical thinking. Now, let me clarify this - my relative is actually around 40 - 50 years old, and has gone to a very good college, and has a masters degree. I was so shocked to hear that, while he was quite educated, he still believed this.
    It's not just the general public. Until very recently, and even now occasionally, you see researchers repeatedly astonished that our ancestors found ways to do all sorts of things. It always comes as a surprise that people were clever enough to work stuff out. The truth that they were just as clever as us is apparently hard to swallow. Their disadvantage was not that they weren't clever enough to do things, they just didn't have the accumulated knowledge to work from that we do.

    And we would lose that accumulated knowledge if we stopped educating our children.

    It's why Velikovsky was so appealing in the 70s and why these more recent "explanations" for expertise among ancient peoples always reverts to - it had to be something or someone else. Let's face it. Most modern people can't design a bridge or a computer or a washing machine, that's always done by "someone else". Ask a competent driver or cook how internal combustion works or how electricity works and you'd very likely get a partially or completely garbled explanation of the physical processes involved. Put a person from a remote Amazon tribal group into a modern household or a city and they'd think it was all done by magic or some other non-human power too.


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    My friend likes Ancient Aliens. I watch it with him and he knows I'm very skeptical but the free beer is always pleasant.

    My personal favorite (real) science video is years old but history has already judged.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcfN_HN4TVg
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    The general public DOES NOT have critical thinking.
    The general public isn't taught critical thinking, at least not in the US. There's no formal education in it, science requirements are bare bone, math proofs disappearing from the curriculum and the rest of the math pre-calculus based rather than statistics based. Even entirely successful high school graduates often never had any formal instruction in reasoning or logic. The anti-intellectual culture war in many states is thwarting attempts to change things.
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    I failed to mention my friend has NEVER owned a computer, and that National Geographic documentary is a youtube video link.
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    Ya know that scene in "Rambo" when he shoots all the computers with an M-60 machine gun...then finishes off the ammo belt firing into the air while screaming? That's the way AA makes me feel...just substitue computers for the dude with the crazy hair. They have basically given retarded conspiracy theorists their own show. I'm a pretty handy guy, and a good problem solver. Those dickheads belittle my "MacGyver" ancient brethern.
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    At least most fans of Ancient Aliens don't belong to the subset that think Stargate-SG1 is a documentary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    At least most fans of Ancient Aliens don't belong to the subset that think Stargate-SG1 is a documentary.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoTBPRHcVD0
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    (wild guess) The average person is mentally ill.
    As youths, many determine that the "older generation" is ignorant and stupid and primitive.
    Many never grow out of this insanity, and assume that our ancestors were "ignorant, stupid and primitive" throughout their entire lives.
    So, any hogwash presented to support that insanity is readily accepted as accurate.
    And, any evidence which denies this insanity is readily dismissed.

    I have often wondered just how pernicious this tendency to insanity is in our species.
    Are any of us truely sane?
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    Sanity is a vastly over-rated characterisitc, in my opinion.
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    One thing that struck me when I was watching teev the other day. The advertisements for Foxtel no longer mention the Discovery or History channels. They're currently doing a big promotion based around their new BBC offerings, emphasising people like Brian Cox for science.
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    I find Ancient Aliens one of the better comedies on TV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    One thing that struck me when I was watching teev the other day. The advertisements for Foxtel no longer mention the Discovery or History channels. They're currently doing a big promotion based around their new BBC offerings, emphasising people like Brian Cox for science.
    How wonderful! PBS is also a very good source for accurate news and educational television shows. I only wish people would tune into those channels rather than the others.
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    I like Ancient Aliens. It's a guilty pleasure. It's like junk food for the brain. Although, I completely loathe crazy hair guy!

    I like it as it pertains to the bible and mythology in general and I like to entertain the ideas that lay specifically there. but often times the other theories are a tough pill to swallow (the most recent one had them trying to tell the viewers that the recently discovered "Pluto's gate" in turkey is really a star gate ). When these morons try to convince the viewer that big foot is part of an alien race and that aliens wiped out the dinosaurs so they could plant us, it just moves beyond ridiculous.

    With all things written about in the bible, if they are all to be accepted as truth, what is more likely? (throwing out the idea that it's all made up for the sake of a story) that God exists with angels and demons and miracles in their bag of tricks, or that Aliens showed up and the "primitives" mistook them and their tech as gods? Aliens win that battle for me, so it's fun to entertain their theories in that intance.

    But Aliens building the pyramids.... Why? "Oh they're all aligned with the stars... Well no shit?! It would stand to reason that they would have an excellent understanding of constellations because they had nothing better to do than watch the skies every night. and if they're constantly studying the sky, why wouldn't they have fairly aligned monuments to them?

    Just because we don't know how they built the pyramids doesn't mean Aliens did it... But all the "theories" are humorous if you ignore the gigantic slap in the face to building culture.
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    all AA is good for undermining our ancestors creative and remarkable engineering thousands of years in the making. and you if don't have the time or the will to sit there and research it here is a great little video to provide you with some debunking facts for our brainwashed little buddies.

    Ancient Aliens Debunked - (full movie) HD - YouTube Enjoy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_kane View Post
    all AA is good for undermining our ancestors creative and remarkable engineering thousands of years in the making. and you if don't have the time or the will to sit there and research it here is a great little video to provide you with some debunking facts for our brainwashed little buddies.

    Ancient Aliens Debunked - (full movie) HD - YouTube Enjoy
    There is a rebuttal to that video from one of the ancient aliens guys... I can't be bothered to find it though.
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    I got really stoned watching AA with my friend and couldn't contain my laughter. Somehow uncivilized Man was the greatest predator in the universe and aliens would travel across the galaxy to hunt us.

    Just replace Arnold Schwarzenegger in the film with an Aztec warrior chucking a spear and...


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    The new idiom in TVland seems to be stupid sells (at least in the US). What that says about our culture is depressing. At least the Science Channel still mostly lives up to its name. National Geographic and NatGeo Wild still show some actual documentaries.

    What seems to happen is that a channel begins with good programming in one area (like history), but over time certain shows that pander to lower denominators get more ratings and thus more airtime until the channel as a whole has completely lost any integrity it had. Often someone will realize this and make a split off channel to show more of the original stuff (like H2, I think) but those channels succumb to the same problem over time. (I haven't seen an H3 yet.) The only channels that seem to be largely immune to this are the split channels that basically show the old stuff from the other channel and have no original programming to corrupt. (Boomerang, split from Cartoon Network, is like this.)

    As the people running the channels have no incentive other than making money, the only solution is to get enough people to stop watching such shows. Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_kane View Post
    all AA is good for undermining our ancestors creative and remarkable engineering thousands of years in the making. and you if don't have the time or the will to sit there and research it here is a great little video to provide you with some debunking facts for our brainwashed little buddies.

    Ancient Aliens Debunked - (full movie) HD - YouTube Enjoy
    Oh, wow. It's three hours. I'll make sure to check it out sometime.. not soon.. but sometime.
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    I have actually watched AA debunked. It is god awful long but otherwise mostly correct. Itis unscientificly biased infavor of old testament myths being true. Eh, everyone has some craziness. Just because every culture has some sort of great flood myth does not prove a physicly impossible world wide flood happened. All it proves is that floods have happened in the history of most cultures.
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