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    How a piece of information sent to our brain as a signal through the optic nerve has its effect in emotion ?

    How men's brain decode the signal sent for a beautiful girl as an attraction ?

    Only programmed machines can do such things,as to program each scene to a specific action.

    How it works and how it developed through out the process of evolution.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Truthfinder View Post
    How a piece of information sent to our brain as a signal through the optic nerve has its effect in emotion ?

    How men's brain decode the signal sent for a beautiful girl as an attraction ?

    Only programmed machines can do such things,as to program each scene to a specific action.

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    How it works and how it developed through out the process of evolution.
    Are you asking a question if these proceedures play a part in making body shape? I am not sure if I am on the right track.


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    How a piece of information sent to our brain as a signal through the optic nerve has its effect in emotion ?

    How men's brain decode the signal sent for a beautiful girl as an attraction ?

    Only programmed machines can do such things,as to program each scene to a specific action.

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    How it works and how it developed through out the process of evolution.
    Are you asking a question if these proceedures play a part in making body shape? I am not sure if I am on the right track.
    For example,a man looking to a sexy woman,her body shape is converted to a signal through the optic nerve.

    Now how the brain reads the signal as an attraction which induces the libido.

    The question how it works and how it evolved through the process of evolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truthfinder View Post
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    How a piece of information sent to our brain as a signal through the optic nerve has its effect in emotion ?

    How men's brain decode the signal sent for a beautiful girl as an attraction ?

    Only programmed machines can do such things,as to program each scene to a specific action.

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    How it works and how it developed through out the process of evolution.
    Are you asking a question if these proceedures play a part in making body shape? I am not sure if I am on the right track.
    For example,a man looking to a sexy woman,her body shape is converted to a signal through the optic nerve.

    Now how the brain reads the signal as an attraction which induces the libido.

    The question how it works and how it evolved through the process of evolution.
    The best I can do for you is to say, these signals are picked up as in the case you mentioned through the eye and into the nerve system. The signals are more like light impulses and works somewhat the same like in a camera or the television. There is a transfer of information in the brain that triggers the moving center, and all the other centers that are involved in the process. As you say the penis is flooded with blood, the heart pumps more blood in the system, the lungs take in more oxygen and so on. I am not a doctor, what I tell you is self taught, it might be better if some one better qualified confirm what i said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
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    How a piece of information sent to our brain as a signal through the optic nerve has its effect in emotion ?

    How men's brain decode the signal sent for a beautiful girl as an attraction ?

    Only programmed machines can do such things,as to program each scene to a specific action.

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    How it works and how it developed through out the process of evolution.
    Are you asking a question if these proceedures play a part in making body shape? I am not sure if I am on the right track.
    For example,a man looking to a sexy woman,her body shape is converted to a signal through the optic nerve.

    Now how the brain reads the signal as an attraction which induces the libido.

    The question how it works and how it evolved through the process of evolution.
    The best I can do for you is to say, these signals are picked up as in the case you mentioned through the eye and into the nerve system. The signals are more like light impulses and works somewhat the same like in a camera or the television. There is a transfer of information in the brain that triggers the moving center, and all the other centers that are involved in the process. As you say the penis is flooded with blood, the heart pumps more blood in the system, the lungs take in more oxygen and so on. I am not a doctor, what I tell you is self taught, it might be better if some one better qualified confirm what i said.
    But what amazes me is why and how such impulses for a sexy woman as in our example will cause such effect and reaction on the body.

    I see it as if we are programmed,IOW we are programmed to react according to specific signals.
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    Depends upon what you mean by "programmed". Given the nature of your other posts, I'm lead to believe you think there was a "programmer" involved.

    Our desires to mate with specific body types often stem from a biological imperative to pick a mate that suits our needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Depends upon what you mean by "programmed". Given the nature of your other posts, I'm lead to believe you think there was a "programmer" involved.

    Our desires to mate with specific body types often stem from a biological imperative to pick a mate that suits our needs.
    I think a lot of it is also cultural.

    What is considered "attractive" nowadays could have been completely different to what it was several decades ago, or in a different country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
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    Depends upon what you mean by "programmed". Given the nature of your other posts, I'm lead to believe you think there was a "programmer" involved.

    Our desires to mate with specific body types often stem from a biological imperative to pick a mate that suits our needs.
    I think a lot of it is also cultural.

    What is considered "attractive" nowadays could have been completely different to what it was several decades ago, or in a different country.
    I don't think so.

    There is no relation between the signal read by brain and culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truthfinder View Post
    I don't think so.
    Well that's certainly enough evidence, given that you're posting on a science site.

    There is no relation between the signal read by brain and culture.
    Arrant nonsense.
    As Daecon pointed out: What is considered "attractive" nowadays could have been completely different to what it was several decades ago, or in a different country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truthfinder View Post
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    Depends upon what you mean by "programmed". Given the nature of your other posts, I'm lead to believe you think there was a "programmer" involved.

    Our desires to mate with specific body types often stem from a biological imperative to pick a mate that suits our needs.
    I think a lot of it is also cultural.

    What is considered "attractive" nowadays could have been completely different to what it was several decades ago, or in a different country.
    I don't think so.

    There is no relation between the signal read by brain and culture.

    Depending on your culture, either of those two women would be the epitome of ideal attractiveness, and your cultural conditioning would probably direct you to instinctively and emotionally prefer that body type over the other one.
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    Depends upon what you mean by "programmed". Given the nature of your other posts, I'm lead to believe you think there was a "programmer" involved. Our desires to mate with specific body types often stem from a biological imperative to pick a mate that suits our needs.
    I think a lot of it is also cultural. What is considered "attractive" nowadays could have been completely different to what it was several decades ago, or in a different country.
    I don't think so. There is no relation between the signal read by brain and culture. Depending on your culture, either of those two women would be the epitome of ideal attractiveness, and your cultural conditioning would probably direct you to instinctively and emotionally prefer that body type over the other one.
    Let us assume that it is cultural and that it is learned that the very fat women are attractive and which is not.
    How the signal read by brain has its effect on our body such as erection ..etc.
    Is it cultural the way the body react with such signal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truthfinder View Post
    Let us assume that it is cultural and that it is learned that the very fat women are attractive and which is not.
    How the signal read by brain has its effect on our body such as erection ..etc.
    Is it cultural the way the body react with such signal.
    Presumably this is your way of saying "I was wrong".
    Okay.
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    Yes, at least partially. We're taught what we're expected to find attractive, combined with innate gender preferences, which leads us to regard the proportions of those characteristics to be more desirable.

    For example, I presume many heterosexual men find women's thighs to be an area of sexual interest. Our culture conditions us as to whether we prefer those thighs to be slender or to display a good storage of adipose tissue. Same with breasts, those who like them will like them, and culture would lead us to prefer a specific size.

    In ancient Greek culture, a small penis was seen as sexually enticing and a larger penis was a source of amusement (see the story of Priapus) but a penis is still a penis, and so men and women who find them sexually attractive would still do so, but the culture would determine whether there was a preference for size. But ask anyone in today's society and they'd probably say "bigger is better".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    Yes, at least partially. We're taught what we're expected to find attractive, combined with innate gender preferences, which leads us to regard the proportions of those characteristics to be more desirable.

    For example, I presume many heterosexual men find women's thighs to be an area of sexual interest. Our culture conditions us as to whether we prefer those thighs to be slender or to display a good storage of adipose tissue. Same with breasts, those who like them will like them, and culture would lead us to prefer a specific size.

    In ancient Greek culture, a small penis was seen as sexually enticing and a larger penis was a source of amusement (see the story of Priapus) but a penis is still a penis, and so men and women who find them sexually attractive would still do so, but the culture would determine whether there was a preference for size. But ask anyone in today's society and they'd probably say "bigger is better".
    What about the other part of the question.

    How the signal read by brain has its effect on our body such as erection ..etc.
    Is it cultural the way the body react with such signal.
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    Culture influences the strength of the signal read by the brain.

    A culturally approved member of whichever gender you prefer, will create a stronger signal than an culturally "unattractive" member of that gender.

    So it's a mixture of both nature and nurture that dictates our sexual preferences for either larger, more slender, more muscular, more mature or more neotenous individuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    Culture influences the strength of the signal read by the brain.

    A culturally approved member of whichever gender you prefer, will create a stronger signal than an culturally "unattractive" member of that gender.

    So it's a mixture of both nature and nurture that dictates our sexual preferences for either larger, more slender, more muscular, more mature or more neotenous individuals.
    Maybe you didn't understand my question.

    How a scene of a sexy woman which is read in brain as a signal causes an erection.
    That is of course not taught by culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truthfinder View Post
    How a scene of a sexy woman which is read in brain as a signal causes an erection.
    Why isn't this question in "Biology"? And why the obsession with "sexy woman"? How is that any different from any of the other processing that the brain does?

    That is of course not taught by culture.
    But (of course) it is.

    I couldn't be bothered to look for scientific research on this (I'm sure there is some) but here is the first Google result: Beauty Standards Around the World - Beauty in Different Cultures - Cosmopolitan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Why isn't this question in "Biology"? And why the obsession with "sexy woman"? How is that any different from any of the other processing that the brain does?
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    That is of course not taught by culture.
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    But (of course) it is. I couldn't be bothered to look for scientific research on this (I'm sure there is some) but here is the first Google result: Beauty Standards Around the World - Beauty in Different Cultures - Cosmopolitan
    My question was the relation between the scene of a sexy body which is read by brain (a signal transferred by the optic nerve) to libido and erection.

    How the the scene translated to libido and erection ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
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    Depends upon what you mean by "programmed". Given the nature of your other posts, I'm lead to believe you think there was a "programmer" involved.

    Our desires to mate with specific body types often stem from a biological imperative to pick a mate that suits our needs.
    I think a lot of it is also cultural.

    What is considered "attractive" nowadays could have been completely different to what it was several decades ago, or in a different country.
    That's absolutely true. Look at what the ancient Greeks sculpted. Heck, you can even look at what kind of women we found attractive in the 1920's here in America. They are very much different from today's women. The skinny girls we have today probably would have been fed by the ancient Greeks for fear they were starving. You can even look at modern cultural ideals of attractive if you examine, say, Brazil and Britain. Sure, there may be crossover, but we tend to prefer specific body types or even mannerisms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truthfinder View Post
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    Why isn't this question in "Biology"? And why the obsession with "sexy woman"? How is that any different from any of the other processing that the brain does?
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    That is of course not taught by culture.
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    But (of course) it is. I couldn't be bothered to look for scientific research on this (I'm sure there is some) but here is the first Google result: Beauty Standards Around the World - Beauty in Different Cultures - Cosmopolitan
    My question was the relation between the scene of a sexy body which is read by brain (a signal transferred by the optic nerve) to libido and erection.

    How the the scene translated to libido and erection ?
    When your brain interprets the image as sexually appealing, it triggers the release of a hormone cocktail which causes arousal.
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    How the the scene translated to libido and erection ?
    Hormones from some glands are involved.
    An understanding of the basic physiology of erection (that is, how an erection works) will allow patients to understand not only the causes of erectile dysfunction (ED) but will also lay the foundation for the understanding of ED treatments. The penis is an organ with paired erection chambers (corpora cavernosa), which are filled with spongy erectile tissue (corporal sinusoids) composed predominantly of muscle. Erection and loss of erection are related primarily to blood flow events regulated by the relaxation and contraction, respectively, of the smooth muscle in the penile arteries and the erectile bodies themselves. Erection is a hydraulic event, regulated by hormones and nerves, which allow increased blood flow into and storage of blood within the erectile bodies leading to an increase in pressure and the development of rigidity (hardness). Penile erection is triggered by one of two main mechanisms: direct stimulation of the genitalia or through stimuli coming from the brain (fantasy, smell, etc).
    Upon stimulation, chemicals are released in the brain that cause signals to pass down the spinal cord and outward through special nerves (nervi erigentes) into the penis. These nerves release another chemical (Nitric Oxide) that causes the aforementioned smooth muscle to relax and blood rushes into the erectile bodies, causing erection. Anxiety or fear can prevent the brain signals from reaching the level required to induce erection. Medical conditions can block the erection arteries or cause scarring of the spongy erection tissue and prevent proper blood flow or trapping of blood and, therefore, limit the erection. Thus, the erection mechanism is much like a tire; a firm tire is dependent upon a hose that can deliver air in adequate amounts in a speedy fashion and a valve mechanism that holds the air in place. In the penis the hose is represented by the erection arteries, which rapidly carry blood into the erectile bodies and the valve mechanism, while complicated in its structure, ensures that the blood is trapped inside the erectile bodies until ejaculation occurs or the sexual stimulus has passed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truthfinder View Post
    How the the scene translated to libido and erection ?
    I assume there is an explanation of this in the Quran?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
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    Why isn't this question in "Biology"? And why the obsession with "sexy woman"? How is that any different from any of the other processing that the brain does?
    As case study
    That is of course not taught by culture.
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    But (of course) it is. I couldn't be bothered to look for scientific research on this (I'm sure there is some) but here is the first Google result: Beauty Standards Around the World - Beauty in Different Cultures - Cosmopolitan
    My question was the relation between the scene of a sexy body which is read by brain (a signal transferred by the optic nerve) to libido and erection.

    How the the scene translated to libido and erection ?
    When your brain interprets the image as sexually appealing, it triggers the release of a hormone cocktail which causes arousal.
    So that is a conditional programming.

    If a signal of sexual image received then hormone release and erection.
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    Oh, I see. The creationist fallacy that if something looks like it could have been designed (programmed) then there must be a designer (programmer).

    You are ignoring the evolutionary benefit of animals getting sexually aroused.
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    How the the scene translated to libido and erection ?
    I assume there is an explanation of this in the Quran?
    That has nothing to do with religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truthfinder View Post
    That has nothing to do with religion.
    That will make a pleasant change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Oh, I see. The creationist fallacy that if something looks like it could have been designed (programmed) then there must be a designer (programmer).

    You are ignoring the evolutionary benefit of animals getting sexually aroused.
    I said to you my thread has nothing to do with religion.

    Please explain it then from evolutionary perspective.
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    Please explain it then from evolutionary perspective.
    Not my subject, I'm afraid. But I see people have given you some information. You might be more successful if you ask the moderators to move the thread to the Biology forum.
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    But you're still avoiding the issue of culture.

    Why is it that men who are used to jogging in a park or swimming at a beach or training at a local athletics club can ignore most if not all the women around them who are also wearing the same kinds of skimpy clothing that they themselves are wearing? The fact that no one bothers women in shorts and brief tops running around a track in a London park can come as a surprise, even a revelation, to women who've been raised in a culture where they've been told that all men will turn into ravening sexual predators if they don't cover the whole of their bodies in shapeless garments.

    It's all about culture. Those same men and women in the London park unconcerned by skimpy clothing would most likely be embarrassed and distinctly uncomfortable if they found themselves at one of those European beaches where everyone strips off all their clothes. And they'd observe that all those naked people take no notice, sexual or otherwise, of the hordes of naked men, women and children around them.

    And then move to countries where men would look at you like an alien from another planet if you suggested that the bare breasts of the women in their community were sexually interesting or arousing. Whaaaat? Breasts are for babies, what's that got to do with me? would be the most common response.

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    Depends upon what you mean by "programmed". Given the nature of your other posts, I'm lead to believe you think there was a "programmer" involved. Our desires to mate with specific body types often stem from a biological imperative to pick a mate that suits our needs.
    I think a lot of it is also cultural. What is considered "attractive" nowadays could have been completely different to what it was several decades ago, or in a different country.
    I don't think so. There is no relation between the signal read by brain and culture. Depending on your culture, either of those two women would be the epitome of ideal attractiveness, and your cultural conditioning would probably direct you to instinctively and emotionally prefer that body type over the other one.
    Let us assume that it is cultural and that it is learned that the very fat women are attractive and which is not.
    How the signal read by brain has its effect on our body such as erection ..etc.
    Is it cultural the way the body react with such signal.
    I would stick my neck out that culture is a big part of the erection triggered by the shape of culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    But you're still avoiding the issue of culture.

    Why is it that men who are used to jogging in a park or swimming at a beach or training at a local athletics club can ignore most if not all the women around them who are also wearing the same kinds of skimpy clothing that they themselves are wearing? The fact that no one bothers women in shorts and brief tops running around a track in a London park can come as a surprise, even a revelation, to women who've been raised in a culture where they've been told that all men will turn into ravening sexual predators if they don't cover the whole of their bodies in shapeless garments.

    It's all about culture. Those same men and women in the London park unconcerned by skimpy clothing would most likely be embarrassed and distinctly uncomfortable if they found themselves at one of those European beaches where everyone strips off all their clothes. And they'd observe that all those naked people take no notice, sexual or otherwise, of the hordes of naked men, women and children around them.

    And then move to countries where men would look at you like an alien from another planet if you suggested that the bare breasts of the women in their community were sexually interesting or arousing. Whaaaat? Breasts are for babies, what's that got to do with me? would be the most common response.

    It's all about culture
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    But you're still avoiding the issue of culture.

    Why is it that men who are used to jogging in a park or swimming at a beach or training at a local athletics club can ignore most if not all the women around them who are also wearing the same kinds of skimpy clothing that they themselves are wearing? The fact that no one bothers women in shorts and brief tops running around a track in a London park can come as a surprise, even a revelation, to women who've been raised in a culture where they've been told that all men will turn into ravening sexual predators if they don't cover the whole of their bodies in shapeless garments.

    It's all about culture. Those same men and women in the London park unconcerned by skimpy clothing would most likely be embarrassed and distinctly uncomfortable if they found themselves at one of those European beaches where everyone strips off all their clothes. And they'd observe that all those naked people take no notice, sexual or otherwise, of the hordes of naked men, women and children around them.

    And then move to countries where men would look at you like an alien from another planet if you suggested that the bare breasts of the women in their community were sexually interesting or arousing. Whaaaat? Breasts are for babies, what's that got to do with me? would be the most common response.

    It's all about culture
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    Are you sure that men don't stare at women .

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    And then move to countries where men would look at you like an alien from another planet if you suggested that the bare breasts of the women in their community were sexually interesting or arousing. Whaaaat? Breasts are for babies, what's that got to do with me? would be the most common response.

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    Not sure that's entirely true. While being topless isn't automatically sexually attractive, specific size, shape, and in proportion with the rest of the body might be. The simplest explanation for human rather unnecessarily large breast size (and penis) compared to other primates is it played a considerable role in sexual selection for a long time--certainly well before any modern cultures. It's also quite possible, likely even, that breast might play a role, along with other characteristics to determining fecundity particularly in food scarce conditions--another means that might have led to sexual selection and evolutionary deceptions.
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    Are you sure that men don't stare at women .
    Staring isn't quite the same as having an erection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Are you sure that men don't stare at women .
    Staring isn't quite the same as having an erection.
    Why to stare at first place ?
    Are they aliens !!

    Can you explain why they need to stare at women.

    So why women's image are made to attract men.
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    Why to stare at first place ?
    Are you asking an explanation to the voluntary or involuntary act of gazing at objects or body parts of another person?

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    So why women's image are made to attract men.
    Men looking at women, women looking at men, people looking at objects that captures our attention; are just some of the ways that we take in information. Information that we may or may not be consciously aware of. I have found myself visually fixated on the exposed internal body parts of our anatomy and that of animals when watching documentaries performing surgical procedures. It is a way that we fill in the gaps in our knowledge, by sometimes committing that imagery to memory for future recall and processing.

    A similar process takes place when staring at a piece of art for minutes without being aware of the duration that has passed. While we gaze at a subject, our minds wander.
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    Can you explain why they need to stare at women.

    So why women's image are made to attract men.
    Right now lots of fit young tennis players are appearing on my television screen. They're competing in the Australian Open (though not as many as usual today. The extreme heat has forced the closure of the open air courts).

    There are women on court now in their usual brief outfits. I've just watched a replay of a match between a couple of men in their usual sporting gear. What makes you think that men take more notice of women than women do of men? Despite being married for 35 years, I'm quite capable of noticing that some of these young men are much more physically attractive than some of the others.

    The main difference that I'd be ready to concede would be that it seems that more men are willing to be rude or aggressive in staring (or leering) at a stranger than women are. But I would attribute that to a difference in power and domination rather than to greater sexual interest.
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    Staring is relative term, it depends on the mindset of a person, culture and availability of a victim ().

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    if I get get a stiffy because I look at a sexy lady, we have more chance to reproduce, trait lives on.
    if lady has traits that indicate healthy reproducing, I suppose that is what is sexy?
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