Thread: Pyramids

Originally Posted by pyoko

Originally Posted by Strange

Originally Posted by kojax

Von Daniken just has lots of enthusiastic optimism.

And a criminal record!

Silly copyright issues? Hardly a criminal.

I didn't know he was guilty of copyright infringement.

I only knew of his prison sentences for theft, embezzlement, fraud and forgery.

Originally Posted by RedPanda

Originally Posted by pyoko

Originally Posted by Strange

Originally Posted by kojax

Von Daniken just has lots of enthusiastic optimism.

And a criminal record!

Silly copyright issues? Hardly a criminal.

I didn't know he was guilty of copyright infringement.

I only knew of his prison sentences for theft, embezzlement, fraud and forgery.

Oh, I didn't know about those ones. Still, I usually stay away from arguing against an idea by bringing up someone's past that is not directly related to the subject.

Originally Posted by pyoko

Originally Posted by RedPanda

I didn't know he was guilty of copyright infringement.
I only knew of his prison sentences for theft, embezzlement, fraud and forgery.

Oh, I didn't know about those ones. Still, I usually stay away from arguing against an idea by bringing up someone's past that is not directly related to the subject.

Yes, it would be an ad hominem.

But I definitely think that if someone is guilty of crimes involving money and fraud, then their claims need to be very carefully examined.
There's money in lies.

Side note- "Covered in gold" refers to only the very, very top portion."
Whether they truly were covered in gold or were polished so smoothly that they appeared to be to observers that had scribes on leashes, I could not tell you.

Originally Posted by Trivium

What's even more amusing is that his defence is not only a Galileo gambit but based on false historical knowledge: Myth of the Flat Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe he is trying to see how many fallacies he can get in one sentence. Two is easy; more than four is a challenge.

Originally Posted by Trivium

Originally Posted by Strange

Originally Posted by Samuel1988

Its about magnetism and cymatic frequencies - which, maybe according to the Tablet of Shamash, these ancient people knew about and utilised.

Could you quote the part of the text from the tablet that says this.

In these situations I always remind myself of the shape people thought the Earth was

Spherical? (I'm tempted to say, "balls")

What's even more amusing is that his defence is not only a Galileo gambit but based on false historical knowledge: Myth of the Flat Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Trivium, many thanks for drawing my attention to the Wiki article on the Myth of the Flat Earth. This fallacy has, I think, come up before in this forum, so it is useful to have this as a reference, should it do so again.

Originally Posted by sapien

Its not their cuniform or writing that seemed odd to me but their picture drawing.For example their picture that looks like a pyramid is supposed to mean god.What if it means pyramid or structure.Their picture of a circle with crosslines on top of it is supposed to mean the holy thing or somthing.What if it just specifies the location on the planet Egypt.Then the most absured one yet is the picture of a pan of water,which is suposed to mean the holy existance or something.What if it just represents water or nile or water with fish in it even.The cuniform looks like it is just some take off on the original pictures dran bt the aincients.

Not that it matters much, but I think you mean "cuneiform".

"Cuniform" to me would mean shaped like a , well, er, like something essentially female.

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Originally Posted by babe

Originally Posted by sapien

Gods? Masters?Holy ones.Get to the bottom line .Who built the pyramids and why.

EGYPTIAN SLAVES AS TOMBS FOR PHAROAH'S?

Basic HISTORY!

There is some evidence that the workers were not actually slaves, but "paid" volunteers, who were definitely free. Please don't ask for for a reference. It's too early in the morning.[/QUOTE

Thanks!! I looked it up, and you are correct. Hadn't read up on this in upteen years.

Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox

The pyramids are a fraction of the engineering these people did by hand assisted by some animals and a great knowledge of mechanics to build large things with simple technology-- the extensive canals and water control systems linking the Red Sea to the Mediterranean, now buried are arguable much more impressive and were more important than the pyramids to explain the long success of their civilization.

Thanks, that puts the pyramids in context: For the Egyptians to sustain their great civilization, they must have had a keen collective work ethic. The kind of people who embrace barn-raisings. So we have these people who are always looking to cooperate on some grand endeavor - usually agricultural - but then once a year the Nile cramps their style by flooding so they can't work land together. What's needed for these off-seasons is a "make-work" project similar to those of the Great Depression, where laborers may keep in shape and share their skills rather than sit idle. That there is a such a project is more important than the utility of the thing at completion.

Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox

the extensive canals and water control systems linking the Red Sea to the Mediterranean, now buried are arguable much more impressive and were more important than the pyramids to explain the long success of their civilization.

Googling that- I knew nothing about extensive canals.

also irrigation canals and holding ponds to capture the flood and use(release) it when needed
long considered one of the gifts of OSIRIS
who was also the seed god, plant him and resurrection happens

Originally Posted by sculptor

also irrigation canals and holding ponds to capture the flood and use(release) it when needed
long considered one of the gifts of OSIRIS
who was also the seed god, plant him and resurrection happens

*chuckle* had to reread that one!

Originally Posted by babe

I guess I am stupid, or naïve, but I really thought from everything I have ever read is that the Pyramids were basically TOMBS!

The only other realistic function for pyramids that I can think of (seeing as how the words water and pump have been offered), is as air wells (ie, condensers).

Originally Posted by jrmonroe

Originally Posted by babe

I guess I am stupid, or naïve, but I really thought from everything I have ever read is that the Pyramids were basically TOMBS!

The only other realistic function for pyramids that I can think of (seeing as how the words water and pump have been offered), is as air wells (ie, condensers).

However, Sir Monroe, my understanding was they were built as tomb, for the Pharaoh's and I have never heard or read...( probably my fault) that they were being used as water storage or some form of an aqua sourcing? Sorry....feel free to educate me.

perhaps
there was a core pyramid workforce who laid out the designs and shaped the blocks
and the bulk of the construction happened during the Nile floods
when it was easier to move the quarried stone to the other side of the Nile, and
provided a make-work project that unified the population through a shared project and gave them something to do when they couldn't tend the fields.

what we do know is that the breweries and bakeries associated with the pyramids were able to produce far more product than could be consumed by the core workforce which were housed in a special village.

Originally Posted by babe

However, Sir Monroe, my understanding was they were built as tomb, for the Pharaoh's and I have never heard or read...( probably my fault) that they were being used as water storage or some form of an aqua sourcing? Sorry....feel free to educate me.

I wholly agree they're just tombs.

(Imagine a waiter in an ancient Egyptian restaurant: "Would you like a slice of lemon or lime in your water ... perhaps a bit of Pharaoh?")

Sir?? My dad's not here right now.

So the "jr" does stand for Junior?

Originally Posted by jrmonroe

Originally Posted by babe

However, Sir Monroe, my understanding was they were built as tomb, for the Pharaoh's and I have never heard or read...( probably my fault) that they were being used as water storage or some form of an aqua sourcing? Sorry....feel free to educate me.

I wholly agree they're just tombs.

(Imagine a waiter in an ancient Egyptian restaurant: "Would you like a slice of lemon or lime in your water ... perhaps a bit of Pharaoh?")
Sir?? My dad's not here right now.

Dang that was funny! Well done!!!

Originally Posted by sapien

Someone on this post said the pyramids were covered with gold. Where did they get all of the gold from and where did it go to
? Also the mummies before they were wrapped up had their brains removed, sucked right out of their heads. Were the brains stored with them,or they wandering around through the afterlife without brains just a lot of gold and riches. Should you or should you not take money from zombies?

How to get lots of gold? ... You trade. The Nile delta was a very fertile area for argriculture. Egypt was filthy rich. This was why it was such a succesful empire in the first place,... as long as the Nile kept overflowing the lands yearly, dumping tons of fertile soil.

Brains sucked? ... Without looking it up,... I recall they made a hole by drilling, through the nasal cavity and then pulled out the brains using specilized tools.

Brains Stored? ... Without looking it up,... I recall they removed all the organs and then stored them in little jars and burried them together with the mummy. The reason why the organs had to be removed is because of better preservation of the body.

-- extra --
A link to the egyptian canopic jars, that stored the organs on wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canopic_jar

Originally Posted by Strange

So the "jr" does stand for Junior?

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