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    Is this forum really back again?


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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
    Is this forum really back again?
    Hi . Seems to be (in its own idiosyncratic way ). Wonder what happened.


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    Well this is weird. Notice how everything is from 2014? Was that the last site backup?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconer360 View Post
    Well this is weird. Notice how everything is from 2014? Was that the last site backup?
    When I first noticed the site back up yesterday everything was from 2010. Perhaps they are restoring incrementally?
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
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    Well this is weird. Notice how everything is from 2014? Was that the last site backup?
    When I first noticed the site back up yesterday everything was from 2010. Perhaps they are restoring incrementally?
    Are you quite sure? You might have missed the later posts. Did you look at the chatbox? The last post there was 11-10. (11th of October or 10th of November) You might have mistaken that for 2010 perhaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
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    Well this is weird. Notice how everything is from 2014? Was that the last site backup?
    When I first noticed the site back up yesterday everything was from 2010. Perhaps they are restoring incrementally?
    Are you quite sure? You might have missed the later posts. Did you look at the chatbox? The last post there was 11-10. (11th of October or 10th of November) You might have mistaken that for 2010 perhaps.
    Nope. Every single post in every single forum was from 2010 or earlier. Until I posted, then the latest post here was 2017.
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    Looks like someone may be working on it then and not just gremlins.
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    This is anorak stuff but look at this

    GIMP Forum

    This is another of the owner's sites that has been abandoned and the last date it was working (from the last posts on it ) was on Oct 11 2014 -the same as this site.(look at babe's last chatbox entry on our site)

    That particular site was also unable to contact the owner and a few of the members set up their own site ( told me it wasn't a huge deal)
    They both went down together (not that it is of much importance)
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    The Physics forum has come back online now also

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    damn my stalkers can return?
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    I am thrilled to be back
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I am thrilled to be back
    Thrilled to have you back Babe!
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    So... welcome, and thank you..
    It should not be too hard for me to comment on every subject here so as to update the 2014 date... naa, we can cope a..?
    Albert called it relativity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
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    I am thrilled to be back
    Thrilled to have you back Babe!
    Thanks darlin!

    Just hope my stalkers don't show back up
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    Quote Originally Posted by astromark View Post
    So... welcome, and thank you..
    It should not be too hard for me to comment on every subject here so as to update the 2014 date... naa, we can cope a..?
    Albert called it relativity.

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    Missed your jokes, babe.
    Missed your astronomy, astromark.
    Missed the duck for military history.
    Missed zinjanthropos and babe for golf tips.
    Missed Ascended for politics.
    Not to mention all you science geeks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Missed your jokes, babe.
    Missed your astronomy, astromark.
    Missed the duck for military history.
    Missed zinjanthropos and babe for golf tips.
    Missed Ascended for politics.
    Not to mention all you science geeks!
    I MISSED EVERYONE WITH ALL MY HEART

    MY CONCERN IS MY STALKERS

    SIGH

    THEY WILL BE HERE

    and I am not kidding

    BUT to see you here HUGS HUGS HUG
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    I MISSED EVERYONE WITH ALL MY HEART

    MY CONCERN IS MY STALKERS

    SIGH

    THEY WILL BE HERE

    and I am not kidding

    BUT to see you here HUGS HUGS HUG
    Try changing your username if the mods let you ?We will all know who you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    I MISSED EVERYONE WITH ALL MY HEART

    MY CONCERN IS MY STALKERS

    SIGH

    THEY WILL BE HERE

    and I am not kidding

    BUT to see you here HUGS HUGS HUG
    Try changing your username if the mods let you ?We will all know who you are.
    Ducky got rid of them last time. My internet name has been babe for over 20 years!
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    Holy Crap! The forum is back! I had given up on checking it, and assumed it was dead for good. Then yesterday, I accidentally clicked my bookmark for this site, instead of the one above it and BAM! The site was up! I assume from this thread this happened in May. Glad to be back.
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    Welcome back Mac.
    If I'd realised that you weren't back I'd have sent you a message.
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    I thought you knew it was back and was surprised you weren't here.
    Not sure why I thought it but I saw you on one of the other forums today anyway and that is what I thought then

    Yes, back for a while and no hitches so far.We have been getting a few of the usual cranks but also some of the old membership have dropped back in (no sign of Harald)
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    @ geordief: Harold was banned.
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    No,I knew that but we might still have heard from him in some shape or form.

    I think I half suggested elsewhere that he might be allowed back (not as an admin obviously since being a prat is not a hanging offense) but no one spoke up for him.

    I even thought he might show up as a "new" member but clearly not.
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    Ah, got you.
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    How ya doing Mac? Long time no see!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGyver1968 View Post
    Holy Crap! The forum is back! I had given up on checking it, and assumed it was dead for good. Then yesterday, I accidentally clicked my bookmark for this site, instead of the one above it and BAM! The site was up! I assume from this thread this happened in May. Glad to be back.
    I tried to send you a message my friend!! HUGS and great to read you again!
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    How long was the forum offline for?

    I haven't been on in years. Thought I was permanently banned. Only logged in yesterday because I received a Happy Birthday message.
    Last time I was on here there was a lot of hacking going on with Porn spam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    Thought I was permanently banned.
    Ah, confirmation. I thought I remembered you being banned.
    The only reason you're not1 is because the forum reset itself to 3 years ago.

    1 Make that weren't.
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    Lol!!!!
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    Another loon one bites the dust...
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    I wonder who will be the next formerly banned member that we forgot about to pop back up? I hope it's a creationist. It's been a while since I've gotten to stab their arguments full of holes.

    Seriously though as the word about this site's revival and lost history becomes more well known, I wonder how many angry trolls will come back to fill the place with nonsense? I mean many of the creationists hang out on the same sites, so do many of the cranks. So once a few find their way back it stands to reason more will.
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    No worries, just deploy the duck!
    (Having said that' I gave ducky a heads up to take out the trash and reban the "in"famous loons (robbitybob, mayflow etc.)!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    ... deploy the duck!...
    Setting: WWI trench warfare

    Private: Captain! We are surrounded by Woo on all sides, the situation is hopeless...what would you have us do?

    Captain: (pulls a long drag off his cigar, and shows no concern) Deploy the duck.

    Private: The duck, sir? Isn't that against the Geneva convention, even though the Geneva convention won't be ratified for another 3 decades?

    Captain: (pouring himself 4 fingers of scotch) Screw the Geneva convention. The members of the forum voted him to be a mod knowing full well what he is capable of.

    Private: But sir, isn't that a little cruel to the woos?

    Captain: There's no such thing as "too cruel" to woo's.


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    Jesus! Oh, I see, it’s a duck’s arse that I'm supposed to kiss to avoid banishment.

    Well, we’ll have to get better acquainted before I pucker up.

    What in heck does Dywyddr stand for anyhow? Let me guess, some sort of medieval Welsh drivel, right? And the duck? How does a lame duck fit in to it?

    BTW, how many post do I have to make before I’m allowed to insert links?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secular Sanity View Post
    Jesus! Oh, I see, it’s a duck’s arse that I'm supposed to kiss to avoid banishment.

    Well, we’ll have to get better acquainted before I pucker up.

    What in heck does Dywyddr stand for anyhow? Let me guess, some sort of medieval Welsh drivel, right? And the duck? How does a lame duck fit in to it?

    BTW, how many post do I have to make before I’m allowed to insert links?
    Almost there I think.(some sort of a character in a computer game perhaps)
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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    Some sort of a character in a computer game perhaps.
    Really? I just looked at his profile and it says that heís 61. Does he design computer games? Otherwise, it would beóumówell, just weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secular Sanity View Post
    Otherwise, it would be—um—well, just weird.
    How so?
    Given that my generation were the first to get our hands on PCs (and before PCs microcomputers).

    PS, yes there is (apparently) a "character" in World of Warcraft (so far as I know) that goes by the name Dywyddyr (note that final "y") but A) it's not me and B) to the best of my knowledge the name was appropriated from me (given that I "invented" it some time back in the 70s). Nor is it "medieval Welsh drivel" - it's a "fusion" of Welsh and Merseian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Secular Sanity View Post
    Otherwise, it would be—um—well, just weird.
    How so?
    Given that my generation were the first to get our hands on PCs (and before PCs microcomputers).

    PS, yes there is (apparently) a "character" in World of Warcraft (so far as I know) that goes by the name Dywyddyr (note that final "y") but A) it's not me and B) to the best of my knowledge the name was appropriated from me (given that I "invented" it some time back in the 70s). Nor is it "medieval Welsh drivel" - it's a "fusion" of Welsh and Merseian.
    Five. The answer was five posts.

    Aliens? That's weird. Why? A sci-fi book? Did you write a book?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secular Sanity View Post
    Aliens? That's weird. Why? A sci-fi book? Did you write a book?
    Um, what?
    You know that Merseians are aliens but think that I might have written them?
    (Clue: the author is dead).

    I came up with the name because I was reading the Mabinogion1 and the Flandry books at the time.

    1 Because of this guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Secular Sanity View Post
    Aliens? That's weird. Why? A sci-fi book? Did you write a book?
    Um, what?
    You know that Merseians are aliens but think that I might have written them?
    (Clue: the author is dead).

    I came up with the name because I was reading the Mabinogion1 and the Flandry books at the time.

    1 Because of this guy.
    No, silly boy. I know how to google. Thanks, though.

    Weíll just chalk that one up to dim brit wit, if itís alright with you.

    I was wondering if you came up with the name because you had either written or was considering writing a sci-fi book yourself.

    Now that youíve answered that question, can I squeeze in another one?

    I like this new song.

    He said that, "The meaning of the song is really reflecting on specific things in my life that were painful, whether it was anxiety and dealing with crowds, feeling overwhelmed by that or the success of the band, disease, going through depressionóanything that was a source of pain in my life. And just rising above that, finding a place of perspective where I could be appreciative of the pain in my life and make it my greatest strength."

    Itís definitely not about God, but Iíve never seen that symbol beforeóthe back to back Eís. Do you know what it represents?

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    It all begins to make sense. I began to notice in many of the forums that there was little or no recent activity. Then I stumbled on this thread and some light appeared.

    That said it seems like everyone knows everyone else. I feel like I've wandered into a plush restaurant only to be told it's been reserved for the evening for a school reunion. I hope I can be allowed a seat in the corner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secular Sanity View Post
    I was wondering if you came up with the name because you had either written or was considering writing a sci-fi book yourself.
    Started several.
    Only ever "finished"1 one: an SFRPG (pre-Traveller).

    Do you know what it represents?
    Not a clue. It looks vaguely familiar, but...


    1 Never published but extensively used.
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    Wow, interesting!

    Still not going to kiss your arse, though.

    Thanks, Dywyddyr!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secular Sanity View Post
    Wow, interesting!

    Still not going to kiss your arse, though.

    Thanks, Dywyddyr!
    Getting his name right is to kiss the arse of the beast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    Do you know what it represents?
    Not a clue. It looks vaguely familiar, but...
    Ah, I found itóthe symbol. Evolve (stylized as ƎVOLVE).

    At first, I thought his father was training him, but at 3:26 in the video, you can see the same tattoo on the older man. Heís fighting against his future self. How creative. I love it!

    "In the months leading up to the album's release, Imagine Dragons used the caption "ƎE" in multiple social media posts."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolve...Dragons_album)
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    Am I dreaming? Is the forum really back??
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    Yes it is.Old members come across it in dribs and drabs.

    Jrmonroe was the last person to stumble upon it a couple of weeks back and there are also a few new members every other day.

    The owner is still incommunicado ( or we are with him) but there have been no crashes since it came back on stream .
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    So it's up and running on its own, but there's no admin?

    I'm happy to see it's back up. Just on a whim, I googled it yesterday and it took me here. I was like wow!!
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    The owner is still incommunicado ( or we are with him) but there have been no crashes since it came back on stream .
    I think the sad reality is that we are operating on borrowed time - no one has been able to make contact with the domain owner, so if some technical issue emerges ( which will happen sooner or later ), there will be nothing we can do about it, and no one we can inform.

    It is probably best if all of us keep this in mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus Hanke View Post
    The owner is still incommunicado ( or we are with him) but there have been no crashes since it came back on stream .

    I think the sad reality is that we are operating on borrowed time - no one has been able to make contact with the domain owner, so if some technical issue emerges ( which will happen sooner or later ), there will be nothing we can do about it, and no one we can inform.


    It is probably best if all of us keep this in mind.
    Might it be a good idea to ask Skinwalker if he wants to actually make an offer for the site?


    If nothing else it might flush out our owner from the shadows or confirm us in our suspicion that nothing is going to make him show his hand.
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    WEGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Ues there is some Admin!
    Hi Babe!!! This is like a cyber reunion of the best kind.
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    WEGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Ues there is some Admin!
    Hi Babe!!! This is like a cyber reunion of the best kind.
    yes!!!
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    Why can't we get our own domain????????????
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    Hello again everyone! I thought this was permanently dead. No come back like.


    Now thescienceforum will return at last to its privileged place at the top of my bookmarks to comfort my moments of procrastination.
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    The forum is getting intermittently slow again. I think that was a symptom of its demise last time ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    The forum is getting intermittently slow again. I think that was a symptom of its demise last time ...
    Yes I have been getting that. I think it might be because it has been quite busy and it can only handle a few requests at a time.

    Whoever it was who put it back up** has perhaps put it on a cheapy server. Either that or it is misfiring for some reason .

    I did try to post a message to the site administrator using the "Contact Us" button some months ago but there was unsurprisingly no response.

    Out of interest I think today or yesterday is domain renewal day but I don't think that is of any significance.

    ** unless it popped back up automatically somehow...
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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    Out of interest today or yesterday is domain renewal day but I don't think that is of any significance.
    Maybe someone else should buy it if it isn't renewed ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    Out of interest today or yesterday is domain renewal day but I don't think that is of any significance.
    Maybe someone else should buy it if it isn't renewed ...
    I think Skinwalker might do that but the owner seems to have no interest in selling for some reason and yet he (or someone or something) keeps renewing .I don't think that costs him very much unfortunately.
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    I don't think it is that horribly expensive to run....with volunteers as they had and it is just the URL name that might cost a bit
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    Mah Gawd. We're back!

    Dyw, merci pour le message.

    Hey folks

    Been a while.

    Before I go any further, is Harold still around? Because I'm still having flashbacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquille View Post
    Dyw, merci pour le message.
    De rien.

    Before I go any further, is Harold still around?
    No. As soon as Kalster got his login back Harold was banned. And Markus promoted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquille View Post
    Dyw, merci pour le message.
    De rien.

    Before I go any further, is Harold still around?
    No. As soon as Kalster got his login back Harold was banned. And Markus promoted.
    Huzzah!

    I'd jump up and down with excitement, but being 7 months pregnant, I just don't have the energy. So I am jumping up and down in my mind.
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    Gosh, it's been a while. Hello everybody! And congratulations on the baby Tranquille.
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    Congratulations.
    I hereby give you permission to name the baby after me.
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    Ahhh, the 46,511th (and 1,314th most important) sign of the apocalypse the birth of Dywyddyr Tranquille. Almighty Sushi Roll God-Crab save us all!
    If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -Thorin Oakenshield

    The needs of the many outweigh the need of the few - Spock of Vulcan & Sentinel Prime of Cybertron ---proof that "the needs" are in the eye of the beholder.
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    I really wish the Like button was working now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    Gosh, it's been a while. Hello everybody! And congratulations on the baby Tranquille.
    Hi and thank you!

    Very excited and exhausted at the same time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr
    Congratulations.
    I hereby give you permission to name the baby after me.
    Excellent idea! I will name her with a name I cannot pronounce and will be relegated to saying "hey you" when addressing her in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum
    Ahhh, the 46,511th (and 1,314th most important) sign of the apocalypse the birth of Dywyddyr Tranquille. Almighty Sushi Roll God-Crab save us all!
    Ha!

    The four horsemen are saddling up their miniature ponies as I type.

    mmmm sushi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquille View Post
    mmmm sushi.
    Do you want ice-cream with that?
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    TRANQUILLE!! DAECON!

    DUCKY I miss the LIKE BUTTON TOO
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    Babe!!

    How have you been?

    And not allowed sushi, Strange. I would kill for a ham sandwich, brie cheese and sushi. Preferably not together or all at the same time. But ya get wot I mean? Processed meats, soft cheese and raw fish have become my forbidden fruit. I covet it. It's really quite shameful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquille View Post
    Processed meats, soft cheese and raw fish have become my forbidden fruit.
    Soft cheese and raw fish grow on trees?
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus Hanke View Post
    The owner is still incommunicado ( or we are with him) but there have been no crashes since it came back on stream .
    I think the sad reality is that we are operating on borrowed time - no one has been able to make contact with the domain owner, so if some technical issue emerges ( which will happen sooner or later ), there will be nothing we can do about it, and no one we can inform.

    It is probably best if all of us keep this in mind.
    If thatís the case, why donít you guys register at Scivillage? Itís a way to stay connected if this place does crash again. Besides, the owner is easy going and easy to get a hold of if there's a problem. Some of you are already there, but the more the merrier.

    https://www.scivillage.com/index.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    TRANQUILLE!! DAECON!

    DUCKY I miss the LIKE BUTTON TOO
    Babe!

    *big hugs*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquille View Post
    Babe!!

    How have you been?

    And not allowed sushi, Strange. I would kill for a ham sandwich, brie cheese and sushi. Preferably not together or all at the same time. But ya get wot I mean? Processed meats, soft cheese and raw fish have become my forbidden fruit. I covet it. It's really quite shameful.
    I am good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    and DAECON!!! SMOOCHIES Back at you!



    I have a question.

    WHY NOT JUST OPEN A CHAT ROOM and have and ADMIN for it. I am working on opening one not for Science but for other subject. But it could be done. Not as intricate as this for sure! But no one could close it down!
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