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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    Perhaps the Trash Can should have its own moderator who would not be entitled to moderate in other sub forums (maybe the Trash Can habitués could even elect their own representative?).His or her remit would be to ensure the basic minimum in the postings (legality etc) .

    Then the other mods could wash their hands of the most difficult postings. Maybe it is a bit like how Britain sent its criminals to Australia.
    Is that where the one ring was forged? I have heard some strange travellers refer to a dastardly place with an 'all seeing eye' that commands a troll army.....but that's just crazy talk.
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    Dywyddyr writes in Post #195

    "To get respect you earn it. Posting nonsense doesn't do that."

    This is exactly the attitude I object to. What if a first time poster writes something Dywyddyr considers nonsense? Even if it really is nonsense there is never a call to be rude to a new member. Dywyddyr's corrections are usually perfunctory and belligerent. No one learns anything in this way.

    The Science Forum's object is to educate. Appointing a snide self-satisfied curmudgeon to deal with fresh-faced posters can only be destructive to this mission. I notice there are a great many young people on this forum. What they don't need is someone telling them they are stupid and wrong. Dywyddyr as a moderator would actually discourage young people from participating in scientific discussions

    "...for someone who claims to have gone back and read a large number of my posts you seem to have missed quite a few..."


    Anyone can reference your forum post (the view forum post function by the username) and see a steady stream of abuse and anger.

    In Post #195 you asked me for examples of your smarter than thou attitude - why, nearly every one of your posts would do. Even two lines under your request, you write about RobbitBob1, "he's an unscientific crank with huge problems in reading context and understanding basic concepts"

    This is no way to talk on a public forum! That's just being a troll. I can not believe anyone would seriously consider you as a choice for moderator.

    Or perhaps when you asked for examples, you meant of your being wrong about something? I will look. I know I saw an example earlier today, but that's hardly the point! Are you so arrogant as to suggest you have never been wrong about something in this forum!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 甘肃人 View Post
    Even if it really is nonsense there is never a call to be rude to a new member. Dywyddyr's corrections are usually perfunctory and belligerent.
    Perfunctory yes.
    Belligerent no.

    Appointing a snide self-satisfied curmudgeon
    Ah, personal attacks.

    What they don't need is someone telling them they are stupid and wrong.
    Yeah, go back and read my posts.
    With some notable and deliberate exceptions - e.g. the established cranks - I don't call posters stupid.
    I go after the ideas and their words, not the person.

    Anyone can reference your forum post (the view forum post function by the username) and see a steady stream of abuse and anger.
    Which is what I said.
    In your zeal to "prove your point" you appear to have ignored the post where I did explain the "genius Duck" joke AND the several posts where I also explained my user name.
    Maybe you just like to be selective.

    In Post #195 you asked me for examples of your smarter than thou attitude
    No, what I asked for (as evidenced by the quote I gave) was where I have this "smarter than thou" attitude 1 even when I have been shown to be wrong.

    Even two lines under your request, you write about RobbitBob1, "he's an unscientific crank with huge problems in reading context and understanding basic concepts"
    It's well established that the above is true about RobbityBob.
    It's a matter of record.

    Or perhaps when you asked for examples, you meant of your being wrong about something? I will look. I know I saw an example earlier today, but that's hardly the point! Are you so arrogant as to suggest you have never been wrong about something in this forum!?
    And again you've missed what was actually written. See above.

    1 Which is, surely, a subjective reading on YOUR part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 甘肃人 View Post
    Senseless wordplay will get you nowhere. I am trying to be fair. If I positively nominated anyone, I fear it will be said I voted twice. I feel strongly enough against Daffy Duck that I don't mind subtracting from his total.

    Am I still entitled to a positive vote? If an official moderator says that I am, please inform me here, and I will make a positive selection.
    I hardly see you being fair when you make so many accusations against him and then say you have no proof of what you are accusing him of but that you are guessing he is like that. And then you say that if he was like that to you, you have forgotten about it, so you aren't even sure if he acts like that.

    All I see is you being very rude for no apparent reason.

    Dywyddyr writes in Post #195

    "To get respect you earn it. Posting nonsense doesn't do that."

    This is exactly the attitude I object to. What if a first time poster writes something Dywyddyr considers nonsense? Even if it really is nonsense there is never a call to be rude to a new member. Dywyddyr's corrections are usually perfunctory and belligerent. No one learns anything in this way.

    The Science Forum's object is to educate. Appointing a snide self-satisfied curmudgeon to deal with fresh-faced posters can only be destructive to this mission. I notice there are a great many young people on this forum. What they don't need is someone telling them they are stupid and wrong. Dywyddyr as a moderator would actually discourage young people from participating in scientific discussions

    "...for someone who claims to have gone back and read a large number of my posts you seem to have missed quite a few..."


    Anyone can reference your forum post (the view forum post function by the username) and see a steady stream of abuse and anger.

    In Post #195 you asked me for examples of your smarter than thou attitude - why, nearly every one of your posts would do. Even two lines under your request, you write about RobbitBob1, "he's an unscientific crank with huge problems in reading context and understanding basic concepts"

    This is no way to talk on a public forum! That's just being a troll. I can not believe anyone would seriously consider you as a choice for moderator.

    Or perhaps when you asked for examples, you meant of your being wrong about something? I will look. I know I saw an example earlier today, but that's hardly the point! Are you so arrogant as to suggest you have never been wrong about something in this forum!?
    Frankly, after your performance in this thread, he has every right to defend himself against your slander. You haven't been here very long. I know from personal experience that Dyw was the first person to reach out to me with a friendly hello when I first joined this site. No rude comments, no put downs, nothing of the sort that you are "guessing" he does to people. Thus far, the only person who has been putting down others, in this thread at least, has been you. You are fairly new here. I can say that you are the one who is not making a good impression here.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    ...also, I will immediately carpet bomb the Study of Religion sub forum.
    But... thatīs the funniest sub forum... thatīs how we entertain when thereīs nothing interesting to read...
     

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    You can't just say, "Belligerent, no." and be done with it. That's what I am talkingg about. You explain nothing, you make authorative claims with no back up. Yes, personal attacks. You do it constantly. I'll say it gain: even if someone is a fool and they are wrong one ought not be telling them so. - especially when one is wearing moderator's hat.

    And you don't actually have to call someone 'stupid'. You're too literal minded. It's your attitude that I object to. I am not interested in searching for post where you explain your name or you 'genius duck' joke. Why do you think you're so important that anyone should research you? And it is you who are being selective. You nearly always have something rude to say. I suppose you and your 'fans' think you are very clever, but such cleverness is not proper moderation. I have nothing against you personally, I just find your post tedious and unnecessarily arrogant. You should not be a moderator. Why not just announce that you have no interest in the position, and we can stop this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquille View Post
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    Senseless wordplay will get you nowhere. I am trying to be fair. If I positively nominated anyone, I fear it will be said I voted twice. I feel strongly enough against Daffy Duck that I don't mind subtracting from his total.

    Am I still entitled to a positive vote? If an official moderator says that I am, please inform me here, and I will make a positive selection.
    I hardly see you being fair when you make so many accusations against him and then say you have no proof of what you are accusing him of but that you are guessing he is like that. And then you say that if he was like that to you, you have forgotten about it, so you aren't even sure if he acts like that.

    All I see is you being very rude for no apparent reason.

    Dywyddyr writes in Post #195

    "To get respect you earn it. Posting nonsense doesn't do that."

    This is exactly the attitude I object to. What if a first time poster writes something Dywyddyr considers nonsense? Even if it really is nonsense there is never a call to be rude to a new member. Dywyddyr's corrections are usually perfunctory and belligerent. No one learns anything in this way.

    The Science Forum's object is to educate. Appointing a snide self-satisfied curmudgeon to deal with fresh-faced posters can only be destructive to this mission. I notice there are a great many young people on this forum. What they don't need is someone telling them they are stupid and wrong. Dywyddyr as a moderator would actually discourage young people from participating in scientific discussions

    "...for someone who claims to have gone back and read a large number of my posts you seem to have missed quite a few..."


    Anyone can reference your forum post (the view forum post function by the username) and see a steady stream of abuse and anger.

    In Post #195 you asked me for examples of your smarter than thou attitude - why, nearly every one of your posts would do. Even two lines under your request, you write about RobbitBob1, "he's an unscientific crank with huge problems in reading context and understanding basic concepts"

    This is no way to talk on a public forum! That's just being a troll. I can not believe anyone would seriously consider you as a choice for moderator.

    Or perhaps when you asked for examples, you meant of your being wrong about something? I will look. I know I saw an example earlier today, but that's hardly the point! Are you so arrogant as to suggest you have never been wrong about something in this forum!?
    Frankly, after your performance in this thread, he has every right to defend himself against your slander. You haven't been here very long. I know from personal experience that Dyw was the first person to reach out to me with a friendly hello when I first joined this site. No rude comments, no put downs, nothing of the sort that you are "guessing" he does to people. Thus far, the only person who has been putting down others, in this thread at least, has been you. You are fairly new here. I can say that you are the one who is not making a good impression here.
    I am not running for moderator. And I am not guessing at anything. I see and I feel! Even on a science forum one is allowed to have impressions. All that I have forgotten is one instant of D's being missed informed on an issue, but bowling ahead with his usual rudeness. I don't see what being new here has to do with anything. I am concerned that the site will be spoiled by heavy-handed moderation by a person with no manners., and who is entirely too self-satisfied. Id he was nice to you, fine. Usually he comes off as very unpleasant It's wrong to choose such a person as moderator.

    (Added ten minutes later) Can you show me where I said I have no proof? What I said was nearly every one of his posts proves how bad his attitude is.
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    I like the all fashion, authoritative way. Current moderators should choose the new moderators. They know the forum... theyīve been doing this for a long time. Who better qualified to choose than them?

    That way you avoid useless confrontations...that lead nowhere.

    I bet a lot of people will shout at me for this...

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    The mods seem happy with this method. So they are effectively choosing the new mods at arm's length. I can't see any confrontations....just one person who disagrees with one of the nominations.

    I think (s)he has made his or her point.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by 甘肃人 View Post

    I am not running for moderator. And I am not guessing at anything. I see and I feel! Even on a science forum one is allowed to have impressions. All that I have forgotten is one instant of D's being missed informed on an issue, but bowling ahead with his usual rudeness. I don't see what being new here has to do with anything. I am concerned that the site will be spoiled by heavy-handed moderation by a person with no manners., and who is entirely too self-satisfied. Id he was nice to you, fine. Usually he comes off as very unpleasant It's wrong to choose such a person as moderator.
    its people's choice. what can you do. He is a celebrity here. He has earned this place on this forum with very hard work. I appreciate his efforts. I recommend a "Medal of Honor" for Mr D.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 甘肃人 View Post
    I am not running for moderator. And I am not guessing at anything. I see and I feel! Even on a science forum one is allowed to have impressions. All that I have forgotten is one instant of D's being missed informed on an issue, but bowling ahead with his usual rudeness. I don't see what being new here has to do with anything. I am concerned that the site will be spoiled by heavy-handed moderation by a person with no manners., and who is entirely too self-satisfied. Id he was nice to you, fine. Usually he comes off as very unpleasant It's wrong to choose such a person as moderator.

    (Added ten minutes later) Can you show me where I said I have no proof? What I said was nearly every one of his posts proves how bad his attitude is.
    You do not remember your first post about him in this thread? I bolded where you clearly said you had no concrete evidence of what you were saying, but you were merely guessing.

    Quote Originally Posted by 甘肃人 View Post
    I am seriously considering making him the first and only member of my ignore list. Who can tell if he knows about science or not? It's too difficult to see beyond his snarky remarks. If he knew anything about science, why not patiently explain to those who err how they are mistaken rather than just knocking them down? He's so utterly negative that he is in a class by himself in terms of discouraging new users to post more than one or two times before they run for cover. Of course, I have no concrete evidence of what I say, but it's easy to guess when he's so often there to troll an innocent new user who is 'just asking' a question because s/he values the expertise of the more knowledgeable forum members. Surely he's responsible (culpable) for more members leaving this forum than anyone else. Make him a moderator!!!??? Better to permanently ban such a creature.
    I don't particularly care if you are running for moderator or not. If your purpose here is to put down another nominee because you want another guy to win, and to do so, try and cast negative votes, which you actually cannot do, then you will fail. And the person you were plugging earlier won't win. It is as simple as that.

    As I said earlier, the only person being rude here is you. Your complete lack of manners, to the point where you referred to him as a "creature", makes your whole argument hypocritical. Perhaps if you didn't post in such a rude manner and refer to your fellow human beings as creatures, he might be nicer to you. Frankly, after seeing how you have behaved in this thread, you are not someone I would want to be nice to. You are being thoroughly unpleasant, rude and offensive because you are guessing he is rude.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    The mods seem happy with this method. So they are effectively choosing the new mods at arm's length. I can't see any confrontations....just one person who disagrees with one of the nominations.

    I think (s)he has made his or her point.
    Yes, I think I have made my point, thank you G. I was going to request that you please re-iterate my point(s) for me, but then I thought, why should you? Who am I to ask you to?

    So unless He Who Cannot Be Named (or pronounced) comes back at me, I will cease (insha'allah) making my point after this final post on the matter.

    I am a teacher, and I have sometimes been asked to evaluate other teachers, and education is my area of expertise. I notice that no one has refuted my contention that The Science Forum is primarily about education. If it is not, then something is terribly amiss.

    The nominee is no teacher. He is no educator. If anything he is a bully. I have no personal history with him (outside of this thread). I wish him no ill will, it's just that I can see him for what he is: unsuitable fo a position that is about fostering growth, that is about maintaining accord, that is about listening to people and helping them along. His whole attitude says, "Shut up. You're wrong. I'm right.'

    No. No and no. This is not teaching, this is not moderation, this is not even decent public behavior.

    There. I'm done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M_Gabriela
    I like the all fashion, authoritative way. Current moderators should choose the new moderators. They know the forum... theyīve been doing this for a long time. Who better qualified to choose than them?
    There are a couple of reasons I like this method. One is the transparency. Members can see exactly how the moderators are selected. It's not a right wing plot or a left wing plot. There is no hidden agenda except to discuss science. Your elected representatives will see exactly what goes on behind the closed door of the moderator forum (hint: it's pretty much nothing). The other reason is that it gives good feedback and insight to what the members are thinking.

    Now I am putting on my moderator hat to request an end to the discussion about the flattened mouse and his opinions on the duck. Enough has been said in that regard.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by 甘肃人 View Post
    You can't just say, "Belligerent, no." and be done with it.
    Of course I can.
    YOU haven't bothered to do anything other than make a claim.
    If you don't need to support YOUR claim then there is zero need for me support mine.
    That which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.

    You explain nothing, you make authorative claims with no back up.
    Um, like "snide self-satisfied curmudgeon" or "belligerent" or... get the picture?

    I'll say it gain: even if someone is a fool and they are wrong one ought not be telling them so. - especially when one is wearing moderator's hat.
    There's two separate issues here:
    1) since I'm not a mod then the second part of your sentence is, thus far, entirely unjustified.
    2) Why shouldn't someone who is a fool and wrong not be informed that they are such? Is it meant to be kept a secret from them?
    (Or are you simply espousing a personal view? One that you can't be bothered to support?)?

    I am not interested in searching for post where you explain your name or you 'genius duck' joke.
    Right.
    But you ARE interested in making accusations based on your lack of knowledge about them.

    Why do you think you're so important that anyone should research you?
    Maybe because YOU decided to talk about me and raise those specific points.

    And it is you who are being selective.
    Examples please.

    I have nothing against you personally
    But you do, apparently, think it's okay to personally attack me while trying to make your point.

    I just find your post tedious and unnecessarily arrogant. You should not be a moderator. Why not just announce that you have no interest in the position, and we can stop this?
    It is to laugh...
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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    The mods seem happy with this method. So they are effectively choosing the new mods at arm's length. I can't see any confrontations....just one person who disagrees with one of the nominations.

    I think (s)he has made his or her point.
    To avoid a little heated controversy, I think we should only be allowed to choose from a list of pre-approved candidates, handpicked and groomed by the mods. Just like China has successfully done for Hong Kong
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapples View Post
    handpicked and groomed by the mods
    After careful discussions involving bright lights and rubber hoses, somewhere in the back room no doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    5. You cannot vote for yourself.
    Hmmm. Maybe we should find out who actually wants to be a moderator (I don't, btw).
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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapples View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    The mods seem happy with this method. So they are effectively choosing the new mods at arm's length. I can't see any confrontations....just one person who disagrees with one of the nominations.

    I think (s)he has made his or her point.
    To avoid a little heated controversy, I think we should only be allowed to choose from a list of pre-approved candidates, handpicked and groomed by the mods. Just like China has successfully done for Hong Kong
    I agree.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    There is no hidden agenda except to discuss science. Your elected representatives will see exactly what goes on behind the closed door of the moderator forum (hint: it's pretty much nothing).
    I moderate another forum... I know what happens behind the door, hehe. Just joking...
    You all seem (moderators I mean) very mature and centered people. Thatīs why I think, as pineapples also said, that at least you should have given the participants of this forum a list of the ones you think would do the job well, despite the fact that new names would inevitably appear...
     

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    There remains until the end of the day of October 9th for this process and I have learned considerably more about the participants on this forum. We have a great many members who do a lot of reading but not a lot of posting from what I observe and I hope that some of those will also log in and share their nominations before this interesting form of consensus building exercise runs it's course. I am still doing my homework on this topic before I make known my own thoughts.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    There remains until the end of the day of October 9th for this process and I have learned considerably more about the participants on this forum. We have a great many members who do a lot of reading but not a lot of posting from what I observe and I hope that some of those will also log in and share their nominations before this interesting form of consensus building exercise runs it's course. I am still doing my homework on this topic before I make known my own thoughts.
    OK, my top three - of those that as far as I am aware have not said they would decline the job - would be Cogito Ergo Sum, TK421 and Palaeoichneum.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJW View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    5. You cannot vote for yourself.
    Hmmm. Maybe we should find out who actually wants to be a moderator (I don't, btw).
    My thinking was that if all the top candidates voted for themselves, it would be a wash. But, if some were too modest, that would put them at a disadvantage. This way, we are not putting anybody on the spot. And, of course, anybody who really doesn't want the job can decline, which some have already done.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    There remains until the end of the day of October 9th for this process and I have learned considerably more about the participants on this forum. We have a great many members who do a lot of reading but not a lot of posting from what I observe and I hope that some of those will also log in and share their nominations before this interesting form of consensus building exercise runs it's course. I am still doing my homework on this topic before I make known my own thoughts.
    OK, my top three - of those that as far as I am aware have not said they would decline the job - would be Cogito Ergo Sum, TK421 and Palaeoichneum.

    Member tk421 declined moderatorship in post #151.
    "The only safe rule is to dispute only with those of your acquaintance of whom you know that they possess sufficient intelligence and self-respect not to advance absurdities; to appeal to reason and not to authority, and to listen to reason and yield to it; and, finally, to be willing to accept reason even from an opponent, and to be just enough to bear being proved to be in the wrong."

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    First a question, if there is popular support would it be a possibility that the top 3 candidates were made moderators, just like last time?

    Also a request, can we please not have discussions about candidates suitability as is unfair to the candidates, really distracting and as Tranquil has already pointed out members should be allowed to make their own choices freely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    There remains until the end of the day of October 9th for this process and I have learned considerably more about the participants on this forum. We have a great many members who do a lot of reading but not a lot of posting from what I observe and I hope that some of those will also log in and share their nominations before this interesting form of consensus building exercise runs it's course. I am still doing my homework on this topic before I make known my own thoughts.
    OK, my top three - of those that as far as I am aware have not said they would decline the job - would be Cogito Ergo Sum, TK421 and Palaeoichneum.

    Member tk421 declined moderatorship in post #151.
    Ah, sorry I missed that, evidently. If I'm allowed another choice to replace him then I'd nominate Scheherazade.
     

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    First a question, if there is popular support would it be a possibility that the top 3 candidates were made moderators, just like last time?

    Do you think that we need three new moderators, instead of two?

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    Ah, sorry I missed that, evidently. If I'm allowed another choice to replace him then I'd nominate Scheherazade.

    No problem. Keeping track of all the votes and all the people who opt out is difficult. Anyhow, I have changed your votes and added them to the list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    First a question, if there is popular support would it be a possibility that the top 3 candidates were made moderators, just like last time?

    Do you think that we need three new moderators, instead of two?

    My personal opinion on that question would be dependent on who was being proposed. I happen to think the current 3 front runners would all be to forums benefit.
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    My personal opinion on that question would be dependent on who was being proposed. I happen to think the current 3 front runners would all be to forums benefit.

    OK. I just wanted to check if you were aware that member Harold14370 stated that:
    3. The top 2 vote getters who do not decline the nomination will be promoted to moderator.

    I am not certain if that number is subject to change, so we will need to wait for his reply.
    "The only safe rule is to dispute only with those of your acquaintance of whom you know that they possess sufficient intelligence and self-respect not to advance absurdities; to appeal to reason and not to authority, and to listen to reason and yield to it; and, finally, to be willing to accept reason even from an opponent, and to be just enough to bear being proved to be in the wrong."

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    ...also, I will immediately carpet bomb the Study of Religion sub forum.
    But... thatīs the funniest sub forum... thatīs how we entertain when thereīs nothing interesting to read...
    I think a carpet bombing would be highly entertaining, im not exactly sure I am understanding your disapproval of this strategy.

    I mean hell, this right there gets a vote from me to flick. I wouldn't want some limp wristed weak willed president, why would I want those qualities in a moderator? Clean house
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenRatio View Post
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    ...also, I will immediately carpet bomb the Study of Religion sub forum.
    But... thatīs the funniest sub forum... thatīs how we entertain when thereīs nothing interesting to read...
    I think a carpet bombing would be highly entertaining, im not exactly sure I am understanding your disapproval of this strategy.

    I mean hell, this right there gets a vote from me to flick. I wouldn't want some limp wristed weak willed president, why would I want those qualities in a moderator? Clean house
    I have joined this forum quite recently.. so I have a lot of patience with those kind of topics... Do ask me in a year or so... I may change my mind...
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by M_Gabriela View Post
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    ...also, I will immediately carpet bomb the Study of Religion sub forum.
    But... thatīs the funniest sub forum... thatīs how we entertain when thereīs nothing interesting to read...
    I think a carpet bombing would be highly entertaining, im not exactly sure I am understanding your disapproval of this strategy.

    I mean hell, this right there gets a vote from me to flick. I wouldn't want some limp wristed weak willed president, why would I want those qualities in a moderator? Clean house
    I have joined this forum quite recently.. so I have a lot of patience with those kind of topics... Do ask me in a year or so... I may change my mind...
    Understandable. I mean, I am tolerant of monkeys who fling shit at each other in the zoo. If they did it in my living room, not so much.
     

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    may i make a request ? that is to keep the non-voting posts to a minimum ?
    it's rather hard to sift through the chaf and find the ones that actually contain nominations

    for the time being, up to post #231, the top 5 reads as follows (CES, correct me if you have anything different)

    Dywyddyr - 14
    scheherazade - 13
    Cogito Ergo Sum - 12
    PhDemon - 9
    Paleoichneum - 8

    i'm not sure if we made up our minds of how many mods would be appointed - the initial thought was 2, but that's not cast in stone
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    We have a great many members who do a lot of reading but not a lot of posting from what I observe and I hope that some of those will also log in and share their nominations before this interesting form of consensus building exercise runs it's course.
    My nominations:

    Scheherazade
    Cogito Ergo Sum
    Dywyddyr

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    If I can vote, I want to nominate Cogito ergo sum.

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    ...also, I will immediately carpet bomb the Study of Religion sub forum.
    But... thatīs the funniest sub forum... thatīs how we entertain when thereīs nothing interesting to read...
    I think a carpet bombing would be highly entertaining, im not exactly sure I am understanding your disapproval of this strategy.

    I mean hell, this right there gets a vote from me to flick. I wouldn't want some limp wristed weak willed president, why would I want those qualities in a moderator? Clean house
    I have joined this forum quite recently.. so I have a lot of patience with those kind of topics... Do ask me in a year or so... I may change my mind...
    Understandable. I mean, I am tolerant of monkeys who fling shit at each other in the zoo. If they did it in my living room, not so much.
    Come on....hahaha. Sorry Marnix...
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    If I can vote, I want to nominate Cogito ergo sum.

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    ...also, I will immediately carpet bomb the Study of Religion sub forum.
    But... thatīs the funniest sub forum... thatīs how we entertain when thereīs nothing interesting to read...
    I think a carpet bombing would be highly entertaining, im not exactly sure I am understanding your disapproval of this strategy.

    I mean hell, this right there gets a vote from me to flick. I wouldn't want some limp wristed weak willed president, why would I want those qualities in a moderator? Clean house
    I have joined this forum quite recently.. so I have a lot of patience with those kind of topics... Do ask me in a year or so... I may change my mind...
    Understandable. I mean, I am tolerant of monkeys who fling shit at each other in the zoo. If they did it in my living room, not so much.
    Come on....hahaha. Sorry Marnix...
    bye
    That "bye" word is is hard to take in, isn't it? What did it mean?
     

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    just saying goodbye. I have to go teaching!! But I`ll be back... hihihi

    Sorry again Marnix..
     

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    Dywyddyr - 14
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    PhDemon - 9
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    Since the current administrator and moderator team has not mentioned the exact nature of your duties to the forum - should some or all of you be selected, I have a question for the top five candidates who may or may not have had moderator experience.

    Q: In your own words, please describe what does being a forum moderator do for the community they serve?
     

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    Is this going to turn into a debate style campaign for moderatorship? That would be interesting indeed.
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    "It is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job." -- Douglas Adams

    this makes tk421, exchemist and RedPanda most suited to the job

    P.S. maybe we should rename the job of "moderator" to "janitor" or "dogsbody"
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
    "It is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job." -- Douglas Adams
    Dayum!
    I had no idea ruling or being president was going to be involved.
    (If I get an inaugural motorcade it does not go through Dealey Plaza).

    P.S. maybe we should rename the job of "moderator" to "janitor" or "dogsbody"
    Apropos of which:
    Quote Originally Posted by scoobydoo[B
    1][/B]Q: In your own words, please describe what does being a forum moderator do for the community they serve?
    Mostly, killing/ deleting spammers.
    Responding to reported posts.
    Cutting down (or curtailing/ redirecting) woo 1.
    Tempering arguments.
    Monitoring of name-calling 2.
    Removal of off-topic posts 3.

    1 Along the lines my earlier-proposed "failure to support arguments will/ should result in thread locking".
    2 We are, after all, nominally adult and I personally feel that a rigidly-applied "no bad mouthing" rule is not only not a good idea but also verging into nanny state territory.
    3 Not all, but past a certain (i.e. uncertain) limit of course. This is as much a social site as anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
    "It is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job." -- Douglas Adams
    Dayum!
    I had no idea ruling or being president was going to be involved.
    (If I get an inaugural motorcade it does not go through Dealey Plaza).

    P.S. maybe we should rename the job of "moderator" to "janitor" or "dogsbody"
    Apropos of which:
    Quote Originally Posted by scoobydoo[B
    1][/B]Q: In your own words, please describe what does being a forum moderator do for the community they serve?
    Mostly, killing/ deleting spammers.
    Responding to reported posts.
    Cutting down (or curtailing/ redirecting) woo 1.
    Tempering arguments.
    Monitoring of name-calling 2.
    Removal of off-topic posts 3.

    1 Along the lines my earlier-proposed "failure to support arguments will/ should result in thread locking".
    2 We are, after all, nominally adult and I personally feel that a rigidly-applied "no bad mouthing" rule is not only not a good idea but also verging into nanny state territory.
    3 Not all, but past a certain (i.e. uncertain) limit of course. This is as much a social site as anything.
    LIKE and fully agree with Dywyddyr on the concepts of what a mod would be doing, and adding trying to maintain a decent level of quality on the posts in the hard sciences areas I understand,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    "It is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job." -- Douglas Adams
    Dayum!
    I had no idea ruling or being president was going to be involved.
    (If I get an inaugural motorcade it does not go through Dealey Plaza).

    P.S. maybe we should rename the job of "moderator" to "janitor" or "dogsbody"
    Apropos of which:
    Quote Originally Posted by scoobydoo[B
    1][/B]Q: In your own words, please describe what does being a forum moderator do for the community they serve?
    Mostly, killing/ deleting spammers.
    Responding to reported posts.
    Cutting down (or curtailing/ redirecting) woo 1.
    Tempering arguments.
    Monitoring of name-calling 2.
    Removal of off-topic posts 3.

    1 Along the lines my earlier-proposed "failure to support arguments will/ should result in thread locking".
    2 We are, after all, nominally adult and I personally feel that a rigidly-applied "no bad mouthing" rule is not only not a good idea but also verging into nanny state territory.
    3 Not all, but past a certain (i.e. uncertain) limit of course. This is as much a social site as anything.
    This is precisely why I suggested your name. With a caveat: name-calling is quite common in the physics world, especially when dealing with individuals that are impervious to solid theoretical and/or experimental disproofs.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoobydoo1 View Post
    Since the current administrator and moderator team has not mentioned the exact nature of your duties to the forum - should some or all of you be selected, I have a question for the top five candidates who may or may not have had moderator experience.

    Q: In your own words, please describe what does being a forum moderator do for the community they serve?


    As I see it, the job largely entails taking out the trash (the obvious spammers/spambots), responding to reported posts, welcoming new members and interceding where and when the engine jumps the tracks.

    My moderation experience comes from my past and present employment situations. Perhaps the greatest challenge I have faced was being the chair of the Yukon Fish and Wildlife Management Board during the time when an aerial wolf control program was implemented. I shan't bore you with all of the details except to say that it was an intense time with helicopters being vandalized and threatening faxes from Europe coming to my home.

    Can I translate this to moderating an on-line forum? Based on my two years of participation here, I leave it for the membership to decide. To be honest, I have never moderated on-line before. I would expect that at some point, the successful nominees will be apprised of the expectations by the current administration and moderation team.

    The more detailed science forums, I would expect to be handled by the moderators with the broadest base of science background. Moderation itself is a 'social science' and for that reason, I feel that my experience may be of value to this venue.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    My moderation experience comes from my past and present employment situations. Perhaps the greatest challenge I have faced was being the chair of the Yukon Fish and Wildlife Management Board during the time when an aerial wolf control program was implemented. I shan't bore you with all of the details except to say that it was an intense time with helicopters being vandalized and threatening faxes from Europe coming to my home.
    So you have had wolves shot from a helicopter. An excellent qualification.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    My moderation experience comes from my past and present employment situations. Perhaps the greatest challenge I have faced was being the chair of the Yukon Fish and Wildlife Management Board during the time when an aerial wolf control program was implemented. I shan't bore you with all of the details except to say that it was an intense time with helicopters being vandalized and threatening faxes from Europe coming to my home.
    So you have had wolves shot from a helicopter. An excellent qualification.
    Not any more important a qualification than being facetious or flippant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    My moderation experience comes from my past and present employment situations. Perhaps the greatest challenge I have faced was being the chair of the Yukon Fish and Wildlife Management Board during the time when an aerial wolf control program was implemented. I shan't bore you with all of the details except to say that it was an intense time with helicopters being vandalized and threatening faxes from Europe coming to my home.
    So you have had wolves shot from a helicopter. An excellent qualification.
    Not any more important a qualification than being facetious or flippant.
    Not facetious at all. A moderator will often be required to dispatch uncontrollable beasts and probably get some hate mail for it.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Not facetious at all. A moderator will often be required to dispatch uncontrollable beasts and probably get some hate mail for it.
    and dispatch threatening foxes coming from Europe to your home?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    So you have had wolves shot from a helicopter. An excellent qualification.
    Not any more important a qualification than being facetious or flippant.
    Not facetious at all. A moderator will often be required to dispatch uncontrollable beasts and probably get some hate mail for it.
    You're a moderator, not the Gestapo. Act like the Gestapo and you'll only get hate mail from people who have a death wish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    You're a moderator, not the Gestapo.
    Now you're just sucking all the fun out of the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    You're a moderator, not the Gestapo.
    Now you're just sucking all the fun out of the job.
    Yeah but you're immune from prosecution. You could call a mod a piece of shit and someone would eventually explain the scientific significance of the remark, then we'd all be forced to hail it as a Eureka moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    My moderation experience comes from my past and present employment situations. Perhaps the greatest challenge I have faced was being the chair of the Yukon Fish and Wildlife Management Board during the time when an aerial wolf control program was implemented. I shan't bore you with all of the details except to say that it was an intense time with helicopters being vandalized and threatening faxes from Europe coming to my home.
    So you have had wolves shot from a helicopter. An excellent qualification.
    As a point of clarification, I facilitated a process as the chair of a board that answers directly to the Yukon's Minister of the Environment on a very divisive issue. The caribou population upon which many First Nations were dependent had been decimated by the over-hunting of the non-native population. The only way to restore balance was by another human intervention, even though it is anathema to the culture of many peoples, and especially to the First Nations culture.

    Only because of their support did the aerial wolf hunt come about and that was a mere 10% of the overall budget. The other 90% went into monitoring control populations and to studying the response of the wolf population as well as experimenting with non-lethal methods of controlling their birth rates. This was a massive public education undertaking and it was held front and center in the local and national media.

    (As the chair, I would only vote in the event of a tie and we eventually arrived at a significant majority, so to this day, my stance on the deciding vote remains unknown.)
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
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    Not facetious at all. A moderator will often be required to dispatch uncontrollable beasts and probably get some hate mail for it.
    and dispatch threatening foxes coming from Europe to your home?
    In my case, those were fAxes and they were nasty enough that my husband was very uncomfortable with the public animosity that was being directed at the whole process and then myself, as I was the name leading the group tasked with the public debate.
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    To the three candidates who have responded so far. Refer to the following thread linked below and treat it as a mock trial run on your moderating abilities and render a judgement with reasons for your possible (in)actions, and demonstrate to the community how you would handle it.

    Regression Analysis

    For those who may not be overly familiar with the local forum guidelines, you may refer to the following link.

    The science forum guidelines

    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Mostly, killing/ deleting spammers.
    Responding to reported posts.
    Cutting down (or curtailing/ redirecting) woo 1.
    Tempering arguments.
    Monitoring of name-calling 2.
    Removal of off-topic posts 3.

    1 Along the lines my earlier-proposed "failure to support arguments will/ should result in thread locking".
    2 We are, after all, nominally adult and I personally feel that a rigidly-applied "no bad mouthing" rule is not only not a good idea but also verging into nanny state territory.
    3 Not all, but past a certain (i.e. uncertain) limit of course. This is as much a social site as anything.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    LIKE and fully agree with Dywyddyr on the concepts of what a mod would be doing, and adding trying to maintain a decent level of quality on the posts in the hard sciences areas I understand,
    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    As I see it, the job largely entails taking out the trash (the obvious spammers/spambots), responding to reported posts, welcoming new members and interceding where and when the engine jumps the tracks.

    My moderation experience comes from my past and present employment situations. Perhaps the greatest challenge I have faced was being the chair of the Yukon Fish and Wildlife Management Board during the time when an aerial wolf control program was implemented. I shan't bore you with all of the details except to say that it was an intense time with helicopters being vandalized and threatening faxes from Europe coming to my home.

    Can I translate this to moderating an on-line forum? Based on my two years of participation here, I leave it for the membership to decide. To be honest, I have never moderated on-line before. I would expect that at some point, the successful nominees will be apprised of the expectations by the current administration and moderation team.

    The more detailed science forums, I would expect to be handled by the moderators with the broadest base of science background. Moderation itself is a 'social science' and for that reason, I feel that my experience may be of value to this venue.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    The caribou population upon which many First Nations were dependent had been decimated by the over-hunting of the non-native population. The only way to restore balance was by another human intervention, even though it is anathema to the culture of many peoples, and especially to the First Nations culture.
    Not the only way: another way would have been to hunt the non-native caribou hunters from a chopper.

    (Sorry, I am so off-topic!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoobydoo1 View Post
    To the three candidates who have responded so far. Refer to the following thread linked below and treat it as a mock trial run on your moderating abilities and render a judgement with reasons for your possible (in)actions, and demonstrate to the community how you would handle it.

    Regression Analysis
    It is not a valid test to presume upon a current thread, in my opinion, but in the spirit of entertainment I reply thusly:

    I read the first 10 posts then jumped to the last 10 posts.
    Returned to post 11 and continued forward.
    Wrinkled my brow slightly at post #15.
    Widened my eyes slightly at post #20.

    At post #22, I would have deployed 'The Duck' as our most effective weapon whenever, wherever and by whomever the term 'crank' comes up. Responsibility delegated in this case.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by 甘肃人 View Post
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    The caribou population upon which many First Nations were dependent had been decimated by the over-hunting of the non-native population. The only way to restore balance was by another human intervention, even though it is anathema to the culture of many peoples, and especially to the First Nations culture.
    If you look closely at the phrase you have highlighted in bold, you will observe that the term 'another human intervention' is not directly connected to the aerial hunt, it just notes that a human caused problem would require a human made solution. Interfering with the natural order itself is what pains those who live off the land, whose teaching has ever been, "Take only what you need and use all that you take."

    Not the only way: another way would have been to hunt the non-native caribou hunters from a chopper.

    I believe that option was actually suggested but the parameters of the exercise would not permit it. Although humans are generally regarded as a 'nuisance species', there is no traditional use for their hides or carcasses in this territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
    may i make a request ? that is to keep the non-voting posts to a minimum ?
    it's rather hard to sift through the chaf and find the ones that actually contain nominations
    quoted for no other reason than because daft people cannot read. As marnix said, stay on topic folks.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post

    At post #22, I would have deployed 'The Duck' as our most effective weapon whenever, wherever and by whomever the term 'crank' comes up. Responsibility delegated in this case.
    Team work, I like that...
     

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    No doubt in my mind that Scheh has the right stuff. She's the coolest cucumber in the garden, bar none. Unflappable, easy, uncomplicated, understated, frank and honest are a few adjectives that come to mind. Unpretentiously analytical and naturally straightforward, not influenced or persuaded by a group of servile flattering sycophants. In fact she is fearless, lest I say she is making some people tremble, afraid that she might actually break the mold and win a moderator's role. She's added that extra element to the proceedings, the underdog darkhorse challenger most deserving of the title. Scheh is my nominee and PHDemon my second choice.
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    I wish to cast my votes for Cogito Ergo Sum and Paleoichneum . I am now through voting. Thank you.
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    Is this still open?

    Reading some of the posts gives me nauseating ideas.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw View Post
    Is this still open?

    Reading some of the posts gives me nauseating ideas.
    You may nominate until October 9th. Nomination is tantamount to voting for. You may vote for as many members as you like, but only once for each, and never for yourself.

    What's your nauseating idea?
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    I know who I don't want more than I know who I want...

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    I just can't wait till I have the opportunity to suspend anyone who calls me crazy!

    I do have a bit of a track record for getting myself banned for acting like a child... And if voting works like you describe, I nominate everyone but Bob.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw View Post
    I know who I don't want more than I know who I want...

    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    I just can't wait till I have the opportunity to suspend anyone who calls me crazy!

    I do have a bit of a track record for getting myself banned for acting like a child... And if voting works like you describe, I nominate everyone but Bob.
    I tried negative voting in the case of Dywyddyr who I find too negative and abrupt. However I was told negative voting doesn't count. So you must make a positive choice.
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    I kinda' made it my intention to vote against some one rather than for someone (if I have a vote at all.) What's to keep me from looking over the nominations already just to choose a winner? Maybe the current mods can supply a list of candidates to choose from and leave voting till the 9th?

    Rather than have someone like me deliberately try to sully the outcome. If that makes any sense to anyone.
     

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    If I had to put forth three serious nominations, I'd say Paleochnium, Strange, and C.E.S.
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    This IS the serious moderator selection thread.

    Each nomination COUNTS AS A VOTE but you can only vote once for each name you select.

    As I understand the OP, there will not be any further 'voting' or selection after the end of the day on October 9th.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    As there are only a few active moderators now, the time has come to add new moderators. We are intending to add two more. The "unofficial" nomination thread will be closed shortly to avoid confusion.

    We need to do this from time to time, because people lose interest and move on to other things, and because we tend to have a lot of older members (like me) with a limited shelf life.

    Rules will be as follows:
    For purposes of this process, "nominate" and "vote" means the same thing.
    1. All members including moderators can nominate one or more members. There is no limit on the number of people you can nominate, but of course you may only vote for each member once.
    2. Nominations will be closed in 2 weeks (end of the day on October 9).
    3. The top 2 vote getters who do not decline the nomination will be promoted to moderator.

    4. If you nominated somebody in the other unofficial thread, please re-submit here so that I won't have to sort out the serious nominations from the frivolous.
    ETA:
    5. You cannot vote for yourself.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw View Post
    I kinda' made it my intention to vote against some one rather than for someone (if I have a vote at all.) What's to keep me from looking over the nominations already just to choose a winner? Maybe the current mods can supply a list of candidates to choose from and leave voting till the 9th?

    Rather than have someone like me deliberately try to sully the outcome. If that makes any sense to anyone.
    You do have a vote - a right to vote- and no one seems to mind if you vote for the frontrunner of your choice and decide the election. If you go through the thread someone from time to time lists the results so far. I don't know what the latest straw poll indicates. I voted for Paleochnium, Cogito Ergo Sum and, yes, Robbity, because he asked me to. So, if nothing else you could make it harder for Bob by voting for someone else and cancelling out my one vote. Just please don't vote for the candidate I do not care for since I've been so helpful.

    @ Flick Montana - what do you mean 'if you had to'? You don't have to do anything but breathe and have your IV bottle and sheets changed occasionally The question is what do you choose to do? Who do you choose? If I were the one counting votes I would not count yours when you phrase it like that. Just give your endorsement or don't. I wish you would because two of your choices are the same as mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 甘肃人 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw View Post
    I kinda' made it my intention to vote against some one rather than for someone (if I have a vote at all.) What's to keep me from looking over the nominations already just to choose a winner? Maybe the current mods can supply a list of candidates to choose from and leave voting till the 9th?

    Rather than have someone like me deliberately try to sully the outcome. If that makes any sense to anyone.
    You do have a vote - a right to vote- and no one seems to mind if you vote for the frontrunner of your choice and decide the election. If you go through the thread someone from time to time lists the results so far. I don't know what the latest straw poll indicates. I voted for Paleochnium, Cogito Ergo Sum and, yes, Robbity, because he asked me to. So, if nothing else you could make it harder for Bob by voting for someone else and cancelling out my one vote. Just please don't vote for the candidate I do not care for since I've been so helpful.

    @ Flick Montana - what do you mean 'if you had to'? You don't have to do anything but breathe and have your IV bottle and sheets changed occasionally The question is what do you choose to do? Who do you choose? If I were the one counting votes I would not count yours when you phrase it like that. Just give your endorsement or don't. I wish you would because two of your choices are the same as mine.
    Could you make it clear that you have nominated/voted for Robittybob1 please?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw View Post
    I kinda' made it my intention to vote against some one rather than for someone (if I have a vote at all.) What's to keep me from looking over the nominations already just to choose a winner?
    Nothing.
    Maybe the current mods can supply a list of candidates to choose from and leave voting till the 9th?
    We won't be changing the rules in the middle of it.
    Rather than have someone like me deliberately try to sully the outcome. If that makes any sense to anyone.
    No, it doesn't make sense to me. Why would you think your vote would sully the outcome?
     

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    It seems weird like ballots are being counted before polling stations are even closed.
     

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    @Beer w/Straw; There is a running total in post#69 of this thread, compliments of CES.
    Under the rule structure it is possible to vote/nominate for all but one.
    Shall that be how your nomination is entered?

    And, the following quote from The Duck seems to illustrate an important understanding that is requisite to modding on this board;
    Quote Originally Posted by The Duck
    This is as much a social site as anything.
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    Lucky me. Lucky mud.
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    Also, I could be a jerk and just and just looked at it and voted for all mentioned in post 252...

    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
    may i make a request ? that is to keep the non-voting posts to a minimum ?
    it's rather hard to sift through the chaf and find the ones that actually contain nominations

    for the time being, up to post #231, the top 5 reads as follows (CES, correct me if you have anything different)

    Dywyddyr - 14
    scheherazade - 13
    Cogito Ergo Sum - 12
    PhDemon - 9
    Paleoichneum - 8

    i'm not sure if we made up our minds of how many mods would be appointed - the initial thought was 2, but that's not cast in stone
    :EDIT: I don't know how I'd like to vote though.
     

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    There are still several days left to vote. I have not yet made my nominations either. I am still reading some of the posts by the candidates I am considering as there are a number of excellent participants at this forum.
    Last edited by scheherazade; October 2nd, 2014 at 04:04 PM.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by 甘肃人 View Post
    @ Flick Montana - what do you mean 'if you had to'? You don't have to do anything but breathe and have your IV bottle and sheets changed occasionally The question is what do you choose to do? Who do you choose? If I were the one counting votes I would not count yours when you phrase it like that. Just give your endorsement or don't. I wish you would because two of your choices are the same as mine.
    It was just a figure of speech. I think the three people I mentioned would be responsible moderators.
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    I would like to nominate spambot283423. Anyone that offers Iphones that cheap deserves to be a mod.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil View Post
    ... Under the rule structure it is possible to vote/nominate for all but one....
    AFIK the only "one" you can't vote or nominate is yourself.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil View Post
    ... Under the rule structure it is possible to vote/nominate for all but one....
    AFIK the only "one" you can't vote or nominate is yourself.
    Hey! Robittybob1! Here is a link; Context (language use) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    You need to assiduously study it, or you will just continue to embarrass yourself with every post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil View Post
    ... Under the rule structure it is possible to vote/nominate for all but one....
    AFIK the only "one" you can't vote or nominate is yourself.
    Hey! Robittybob1! Here is a link; Context (language use) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    You need to assiduously study it, or you will just continue to embarrass yourself with every post.
    You are at fault for I was clearing up the context of "Under the rule structure it is possible to vote/nominate for all but one...."
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil View Post
    ... Under the rule structure it is possible to vote/nominate for all but one....
    AFIK the only "one" you can't vote or nominate is yourself.
    Hey! Robittybob1! Here is a link; Context (language use) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    You need to assiduously study it, or you will just continue to embarrass yourself with every post.
    You are at fault for I was clearing up the context of "Under the rule structure it is possible to vote/nominate for all but one...."
    At whose post wad my statement directed? What had they said? Huh? HUH?
    I was not referencing the self nomination rule in my statement. I was referencing something else. Duh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil View Post
    ... Under the rule structure it is possible to vote/nominate for all but one....
    AFIK the only "one" you can't vote or nominate is yourself.
    Hey! Robittybob1! Here is a link; Context (language use) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    You need to assiduously study it, or you will just continue to embarrass yourself with every post.
    You are at fault for I was clearing up the context of "Under the rule structure it is possible to vote/nominate for all but one...."
    At whose post wad my statement directed? What had they said? Huh? HUH?
    I was not referencing the self nomination rule in my statement. I was referencing something else. Duh!
    Huh Huh was that right! Lol.
     

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    Seriously, guys?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Seriously, guys?
    When Beer w/straw implies she would like to negatively vote for "someone", it does get serious. We are just trying to explain the rules around this novel form of voting to everyone.
    From my reckoning I have 3 votes but it would seem unlikely that I could get enough votes to surpass the top two before the 9th. I have not given up yet.
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    2. Daytonturner
     

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    at the latest count (as of post #284) i've got the following top 5

    Cogito Ergo Sum - 16
    Dywyddyr - 15
    scheherazade - 15
    Paleoichneum - 10
    PhDemon - 10

    as for the "novel" type of voting, as far as i'm aware that's how we've always done it here
    unlike ballots in elections, an open vote seems to more fair to me and more in tune with what a forum is about
    i don't see anyone being intimidated or threatened because of who they voted for + there can't be any accusations of vote rigging, since it's all above board
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    Quote Originally Posted by dedo View Post
    Nominate / vote:

    1. Robittybob1

    2. Daytonturner
    Thanks Dedo. Now that is 4 votes, miracles happen don't they?
     

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    ... I think this is a terrible way to chose moderators.
    In the medium term it looks as if it is working, then it will become like Wikipedia.

    Progressively, people in the centre get turned off by more and more politics.
    People in the centre leave or avoid the politics of the site, then the extremes take over.

    It will become progressively more and more politicised. Political correctness will sky-rocket.
    Candidates will have to be totally irreproachable, as if they are been chosen for the supreme court.
    Then only brown nozers get elected.
    And the site will also become feminist.... It will become forbidden to say that women and men are different, "you are sexist".

    In my opinion, a site should be a benevolent dictatorship.
    Ultimately, some one should be taking responsibility.
    Sites tend to live longer this way.

    (I could start ranting about democracy, but it will be off topic)
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum immortal View Post
    And the site will also become feminist.... It will become forbidden to say that women and men are different, "you are sexist".
    This was funny.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum immortal View Post
    (I could start ranting about democracy, but it will be off topic)
    i suppose you could, but my main reaction is "huh ?"
    how you manage to squeeze such a conclusion out of this thread is absolutely flabbergasting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum immortal View Post
    ... I think this is a terrible way to chose moderators.
    In the medium term it looks as if it is working, then it will become like Wikipedia.

    Progressively, people in the centre get turned off by more and more politics.
    People in the centre leave or avoid the politics of the site, then the extremes take over.

    It will become progressively more and more politicised. Political correctness will sky-rocket.
    Candidates will have to be totally irreproachable, as if they are been chosen for the supreme court.
    Then only brown nozers get elected.
    And the site will also become feminist.... It will become forbidden to say that women and men are different, "you are sexist".

    In my opinion, a site should be a benevolent dictatorship.
    Ultimately, some one should be taking responsibility.
    Sites tend to live longer this way.

    (I could start ranting about democracy, but it will be off topic)
    Look this is the way that moderators have been chosen before and the site turned out just fine. In fact the only time the site went crazy was when B&B owned it and changed the moderation strategy to allow every moron to ramble on indefinitely. But that was before your time here, so I wouldn't expect you to know that. Just know that our system here may be unconventional but it works well. Also your claims that somehow this site will turn feminist is unfounded and illogical. You sound like one of those teenagers that were raving about gamergate. None of the top candidates for moderator are extremists (that I know at least, and I've been around for a while so I should know), so your fears there are without reason.

    EDit: I completely agree with Marnix's post above mine, how did you reach these conclusions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum immortal View Post
    ...
    In my opinion, a site should be a benevolent dictatorship.
    Ultimately, some one should be taking responsibility.
    Sites tend to live longer this way.

    (I could start ranting about democracy, but it will be off topic)
    It isn't really a democracy. The site is owned by "admin" who has delegated the appointment of any new moderators to me (since neither he nor Kalster have been here lately for some reason I'm the only one who can do it). So that makes me the benevolent dictator for now, until "admin" decides to pull the plug. This is just how I choose to appoint new moderators. Do you feel better now?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconer360 View Post
    None of the top candidates for moderator are extremists
    Yeah?
    Give me a fast motorbike and see how extreme I can get...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Falconer360 View Post
    None of the top candidates for moderator are extremists
    Yeah?
    Give me a fast motorbike and see how extreme I can get...
    A duck going insanely fast on a motorbike is something I would love to see. I'm like that with snowmobiles though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconer360 View Post
    Look this is the way that moderators have been chosen before and the site turned out just fine. In fact the only time the site went crazy was when B&B owned it and changed the moderation strategy to allow every moron to ramble on indefinitely.
    Actually, that didn't happen. B&B gave us no direction on moderation strategy, whatsoever. It just so happens that when they took over, there were some folks who felt the moderation was too lax, much as there are now, and they blamed it on B&B. B&B were a bit heavy handed about some things, but they had nothing to do with morons rambling on indefinitely.
     

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    Look this is the way that moderators have been chosen before and the site turned out just fine. In fact the only time the site went crazy was when B&B owned it and changed the moderation strategy to allow every moron to ramble on indefinitely.
    Actually, that didn't happen. B&B gave us no direction on moderation strategy, whatsoever. It just so happens that when they took over, there were some folks who felt the moderation was too lax, much as there are now, and they blamed it on B&B. B&B were a bit heavy handed about some things, but they had nothing to do with morons rambling on indefinitely.
    I once received a warning from either Bunsen or Beaker, for being too harsh on a troll. That I needed to let him spout his unfounded views without being critical of them. They equated my criticism with being a bully. So I was wrong on saying they changed the moderation strategy, it was just them personally. The other mods were fine. You and I may not agree on much, but I've always found you to be fair when acting as a moderator. So I apologize for lumping you in with them.
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    anyone nominated babe yet? I like a little eye candy when I am being banished.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenRatio View Post
    anyone nominated babe yet? I like a little eye candy when I am being banished.
    The forum would descend into flamboyant chaos.
    There'd be slaps and feathers everywhere...
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
    i don't see anyone being intimidated or threatened because of who they voted for + there can't be any accusations of vote rigging, since it's all above board
    Just wait till I activate my twenty three sock puppets.
     

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