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| prasit |
 Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:12 am Post subject: Why do some people believe god(s) exist and some don't? |
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Some people will believe in something only if it can be explained scientifically, but some people believe that there are things that are outside scientific realm. What influence their thoughts?
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Well, God is misunderstood, and interpreted differently by everyone.
To me, for instance, it is a word that means everything and nothing.
While science explains,
there are things that remain a mystery.
Strange things happen.... |
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| I have a feeling these days that it's mostly attributed to their parents. Usually they learn religion when they are young and it carries on throughout life. It's kind of like a sort of evolution. Religious ideals evolve over time, now the evolution is heading more towards the non belief in a supernatural power. |
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Some people cherish mysteries whilst other people cherish solving them.
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And some people cherish saying they are a load of codswollop.
I'd say solving mysteries is the middle ground, the grey.
Don't forget science exists because it is the best thing to explain our surroundings, and it fits in with our minds and is very viable. However, I'm sure a different set of numbers, or even letters, anything can explain our surroundings as well. Our minds are programmed with science because of numbers, thats all it bottles down to, numbers. Some people choose letters to explain things, mostly religious folk. Now if they could channel letters to makes sense of things, then maybe science (which uses numbers) would take them seriously, and then again they may not as both may do to each other. So you see its not the method, or numbers or letters that closes ideas up or opens them up, it is people. And we are all different. No, we are all unique 
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And some people cherish saying they are a load of codswollop.
I'd say solving mysteries is the middle ground, the grey.
Don't forget science exists because it is the best thing to explain our surroundings, and it fits in with our minds and is very viable. However, I'm sure a different set of numbers, or even letters, anything can explain our surroundings as well. Our minds are programmed with science because of numbers, thats all it bottles down to, numbers. Some people choose letters to explain things, mostly religious folk. Now if they could channel letters to makes sense of things, then maybe science (which uses numbers) would take them seriously, and then again they may not as both may do to each other. So you see its not the method, or numbers or letters that closes ideas up or opens them up, it is people. And we are all different. No, we are all unique |
And thus I stand by my statement 
Some people cherish mysteries whilst other people cherish solving them.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:53 am Post subject: Re: Why do some people believe god(s) exist and some don't? |
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| Some people will believe in something only if it can be explained scientifically, but some people believe that there are things that are outside scientific realm. What influence their thoughts? |
reason to the former, and gullibility to the latter.
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what influences peoples thoughts on there relegion is there early life if your parents are athiests your mostlikely to be an athiest and if your parents are devout christians well your probobly going to be christian and look at me one of my parensts is christian and one doesent realy beleave and im an agnostic lol
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:05 am Post subject: Re: Why do some people believe god(s) exist and some don't? |
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| Some people will believe in something only if it can be explained scientifically, but some people believe that there are things that are outside scientific realm. What influence their thoughts? |
Their parents.
The cycle of indoctrination.
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| science exists because it is the best thing to explain our surroundings, and it fits in with our minds and is very viable. However, I'm sure a different set of numbers, or even letters, anything can explain our surroundings as well. |
Could you please provide an example?
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| Our minds are programmed with science because of numbers, thats all it bottles down to, numbers. |
1. I wonder who made the program, and why.
2. If our minds are programmed with science and numbers there should be more atheists than theists.
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| reason to the former, and gullibility to the latter. |
I doubt it is that simple. Many devout theists do not seem to be gullible.
So far the responses on this topic come from atheist/agnostic. I am interested to read what theist thinks about this.
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| Could you please provide an example? |
E = mc^2
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1. I wonder who made the program, and why.
2. If our minds are programmed with science and numbers there should be more atheists than theists. |
True, but a lot of people live in the grey.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Why do some people believe god(s) exist and some don't? |
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| Some people will believe in something only if it can be explained scientifically, but some people believe that there are things that are outside scientific realm. What influence their thoughts? |
if by scientific you mean empirical (perceivable to the senses, primarily the sense of sight) then you have a question we need not be isolated to the religious forum.
There are lengthy discourses that challenge empiricism in its quest for monopolizing knowledge. Usually they come under the banner of rationalism.
In short, what is commonly vouched for the "scientific realm" is very often unable to offer a complete picture. To begin with it cannot establish what we are seeing with (ie consciousness) let alone everything that we experience (like other people's minds for instance - when you say "hello" to someone what "physical" part of their body are you addressing? Their lips? Their eyebrow? Their big toe?).
No matter which way you look at it, it seems the question boils down to one of faith- namely whether one believes everything can be materially reduced or whether one does not. |
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punarmusiko wrote:
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| if by scientific you mean empirical (perceivable to the senses, primarily the sense of sight) |
I mean it as defined in the dictionary.
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| To begin with it cannot establish what we are seeing with (ie consciousness) |
Of course we are seeing with our eyes.
For consciousness there are already a number of scientists working on it. Dennett wrote a book called 'consciousness explained' in 1991. You might want to get familiar with the topic. I understand the Obviously has some knowledge.
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| when you say "hello" to someone what "physical" part of their body are you addressing? Their lips? Their eyebrow? Their big toe? |
The whole, integral part.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:16 am Post subject: Re: Why do some people believe god(s) exist and some don't? |
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| Some people will believe in something only if it can be explained scientifically, but some people believe that there are things that are outside scientific realm. What influence their thoughts? |
Their parents.
The cycle of indoctrination. |
Its not indoctrination or a cult Q, stop calling peoples way of life that. If you were to say that not hiding behind your computer you'd be in a serious predicament in reference to your physical and mental health wouldn't you?
And it isn't always from their parents, people can join religion as adults, its their choice Q and for goodness sake leave them to it, they leave you to your selfish mental attitude and your way of life, so do them likewise. Its just consideration Q.
PS And don't bother putting in what you ususally say about choir boys and twisted preachers, I've heard you say it every time I argue this point. I'm only reminding you because you keep doing it and it offends people. I am warning you now Q, watch what you say.
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425 gives example of E=mc^2 as the example of another different set of numbers, or even letters, anything can explain our surroundings as well as science
I am sure there is a miscommunication somewhere. The Einstein's equation is certainly in the realm of science. (And in this case he was not wrong  )
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