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 Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:02 am Post subject: What if...Britan never rose? |
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Britain has given the world a GREAT amount of technology and have devloped morals moreso than the rest of the world and have taught them. We had trades runnning all over the world when the British Empire run, giving foreign countries money to build their countries by buying their goods. We have fought off a lot of opression, Napoelean, Hitler, Kaiser Wilhelm, provided help to Korea, British red cross is everywhere in the world where help is needed. Ever since the economic cost of WWII (and money going to help rebuild Europe after WWII) crippled us and the British Empire's influence and commonweath has fallen, the world has since begun going downhill. We are no longer able to be a strong influence now America rules. The terrorist sistuation has been accelerated by the USA and our leaders are doing nothing for Britian no longer and the UK's society is breaking down. The nation that gave the world so much is being eaten inside out. There are mosques within the UK that have terrorists preaching to go out and murder innocent Britons. There are hundreds of raids undertaken by the police to stop terrorists before they carry out their plans. The UK is losing money fast, our governments profit/loss is very close and if the rush of cash does not stop we'll not have enough to pay off our debts, and then, goodnight Great Britain.
We gave given the world so much and have always put out for the world. At times we've not been as good as gold but have been far better and more efficient rulers of the world that the US has been. Since they took over, the world now has many countries with nuclear weapons and the US threatens invasion now instead of democracy. The world is in grave danger-if terrorists gain nuclear capabilty, they won't hesitate to launch, then you'll have the counterstrike program THAT STILL EXISTS of the US and Russia who will launch.
What would the world be like today if the world never saw Britain rise?
If it weren't for Christianity then the UK would have never rose in the first place. The Holy Isles of the west-everyone flocked here after they learned of Christ. And why? Why were we the front of invasion throughout history?
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| Bunbury |
| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Well if the UK had never rose then the USA wouldn't never have rose neither, would it then? So you wouldn't have to fret over the Americans ruling the world because the Americans would be Spanish, innit? And those Spaniards, being an indolent, immoral lot, lacking Britsh moral fibre, and eating tortillas instead of weetabix would have let things truly go down the drain. |
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| Bunbury wrote: |
| Well if the UK had never rose then the USA wouldn't never have rose neither, would it then? So you wouldn't have to fret over the Americans ruling the world because the Americans would be Spanish, innit? And those Spaniards, being an indolent, immoral lot, lacking Britsh moral fibre, and eating tortillas instead of weetabix would have let things truly go down the drain. |
ROTFL!
Willmer, I'd suggest you read Jared Diamond's Guns, germs and steel as it effectively answers your counter-factual/hypothetical. Both the colonisation of the New World and the Industrial Revolution were going to happen anyway, thanks to the technological advancement and political rivalries in Europe. France and Spain would probably have fought it out for North America, and Germany, the Netherlands, Portugal and Italy (at the very least) would have joined them not just in colonial ventures, but technoclogical ones as well. After all, that's also what they did in our current history. |
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| Ophiolite |
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As a Scot, an Englisman, a Brit and a European, I would like to dissociate myself from svwilmer's rambling, ungrammatical, jingoistic, ill researched, poorly argued, ethnocentric tirade, masquerading as a serious post.
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Ophiolite wrote: |
| As a Scot, an Englisman, a Brit and a European, I would like to dissociate myself from svwilmer's rambling, ungrammatical, jingoistic, ill researched, poorly argued, ethnocentric tirade, masquerading as a serious post. |
Its not rambling Ophiolite, it was a quick 'what if' based on my young interpretation of the world. If you're so smart, why don't you take the responsibility given your wisdom and clean up my post so that the true meaning can be potrayed. You've made my comment appear rambling, so now you've got to tell me why. Thank you Ophiolite. If you don't reply I'll lose respect for you currently and I'd rather not, I look up to your posts and to your responses, so please enlighten us.
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PS it was England and England alone that gave birth to this world. Stand up for it Ophiolite and stop making us look weak, we are the British and we have to stick together. Come on Ophiolite that was a really low blow. I'm really upset by that Ophiolite. I hope you can redeem yourself, you better or to me your no Briton.
Oh and you can't be a Scotsman or Englander. Only one.
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| Its not rambling Ophiolite, it was a quick 'what if' based on my young interpretation of the world. If you're so smart, why don't you take the responsibility given your wisdom and clean up my post so that the true meaning can be potrayed. You've made my comment appear rambling, so now you've got to tell me why. Thank you Ophiolite. |
You have singled out the adjective rambling, arguably the least of my complaints. It was the latent xenophobia I found unappealing, so I launched into a trademark concatenation of qualifiers.
If you are interested I think I can package the whole a lot more attractively. It really does lack structure. Look, for one thing, at the length of the first paragraph. Also, what is your central argument? That may be clear to you, but not to your readers.
I'm returning home now to attempt further recovery from a virulent stomach bug. I shall have a go a rewriting your opening post. Let me know if you would like that posted in the thread, or via pm.
Again, my main reaction is against the inherent xenophobia. We don't need that in the UK at present. Nor do we need whitewashes of Britain's colonial past.
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Ophiolite wrote: |
| svwillmer wrote: |
| Its not rambling Ophiolite, it was a quick 'what if' based on my young interpretation of the world. If you're so smart, why don't you take the responsibility given your wisdom and clean up my post so that the true meaning can be potrayed. You've made my comment appear rambling, so now you've got to tell me why. Thank you Ophiolite. |
You have singled out the adjective rambling, arguably the least of my complaints. It was the latent xenophobia I found unappealing, so I launched into a trademark concatenation of qualifiers.
If you are interested I think I can package the whole a lot more attractively. It really does lack structure. Look, for one thing, at the length of the first paragraph. Also, what is your central argument? That may be clear to you, but not to your readers.
I'm returning home now to attempt further recovery from a virulent stomach bug. I shall have a go a rewriting your opening post. Let me know if you would like that posted in the thread, or via pm.
Again, my main reaction is against the inherent xenophobia. We don't need that in the UK at present. Nor do we need whitewashes of Britain's colonial past. |
Thanks. I'm with the old saying
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Oh and by the way, sorry about that bug, there is aterrible irony about Britons when they leave, if only for a short period of time. Hope you get better soon.
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PS, I'm not afraid of foreign countries we still today have a good amount of technology and relations with the world and are still 4th superpower of the world. I don't need evidence to state a fact. Britain is the single greatest existence in this world, giving the world a great many thing, thats why I posed the hypothetical question, 'What if Britain never rose?' A theory of if the world would be better or worse if it had not risen.
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Hmm
The partition of India would not have happened, the division of North and South Sudan would not have happened, there would be no Israel, the Middle east and Africa would not have been arbitarily divided into random countries.
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| samcdkey wrote: |
Hmm
The partition of India would not have happened, the division of North and South Sudan would not have happened, there would be no Israel, the Middle east and Africa would not have been arbitarily divided into random countries. |
The world would be at the mercy of Islam?
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Hmm
The partition of India would not have happened, the division of North and South Sudan would not have happened, there would be no Israel, the Middle east and Africa would not have been arbitarily divided into random countries. |
The world would be at the mercy of Islam? |
There were Dutch and French and Portuguese colonialists too.
As for mercy, a country that began the depopulation and occupation of two huge landmasses, ie America/Canada and Australia, and used a policy of Divide and Rule on all its colonies in racist ways such that natives suffered at the expense of white men, fueling all major conflicts in the world today, is in no position to determine the meaning of mercy.
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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Hmm
The partition of India would not have happened, the division of North and South Sudan would not have happened, there would be no Israel, the Middle east and Africa would not have been arbitarily divided into random countries. |
The world would be at the mercy of Islam? |
There were Dutch and French and Portuguese colonialists too.
As for mercy, a country that began the depopulation and occupation of two huge landmasses, ie America/Canada and Australia, and used a policy of Divide and Rule on all its colonies in racist ways such that natives suffered at the expense of white men, fueling all major conflicts in the world today, is in no position to determine the meaning of mercy. |
Opinion noted, position overruled. Would they be at mercy. If you can't answer the question just don't that way we don't waste precious time arguimng over what we meant 
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Opinion noted, position overruled. Would they be at mercy. If you can't answer the question just don't that way we don't waste precious time arguimng over what we meant |
Do you think the Dutch, French, Portuguese and all such would just pack their bags and go home? 
As for mercy of Islam, I think the Ottoman Empire was already falling apart when the British came in. Perhaps the Caliphate would still be around and we would not be having the executions of homosexuals and stoning for adultery.
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