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| Matt Lee |
 Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject: What exactly IS the Higgs Boson? |
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Hi guys!
I don't mean to sound thick here, but I have searched and searched but still cannot find a simple, basic explanation of the Higgs Boson.
I am very curious to know what it is exactly, so I would relaly appreciate it if one of you out there would be kind enough to enlighten me and give me a basic understanding of the Higgs Boson.
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| BumFluff |
| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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I have not looked into it in great depth but I believe the Higgs Boson is a theoretical type of Boson, or elementary particle, that gives objects their mass.
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| William McCormick |
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| BumFluff wrote: |
| I have not looked into it in great depth but I believe the Higgs Boson is a theoretical type of Boson, or elementary particle, that gives objects their mass. |
I learned a rather simple way to understand the atom. I as taught much like Benjamin Franklin had apparently figured out. That matter was in fact electrical in nature. He and many other concluded that matter was in fact particles of electricity.
Electricity was a weightless massless substance. This was easily demonstrated. The one that today you do not get to hear anymore, is the explanation that protons are just balls of electrons.
Electrons never touch one another. They have one kind of a charge repel. The protons are held in spherical shape, by ambient radiation that passes easily through all matter that is only 10 percent solid. Matter is or was considered to be 90 percent space.
Ambient radiation moves so fast that we can only detect it, if we create a diode of some sort and slow it down, by deflecting it. Ambient radiation bombards the universe from all sides, in all directions simultaneously.
If you slow down ambient radiation to much, it will remove the object, by explosion. That is all a bomb is, the removal of a high voltage area.
This is how I was taught that weightless massless electrons create the illusion of mass and weight. While they are in the proton, in numbers. I was told, there was an infinite number of electrons.
Because we could not even see one, much less count how many there are. The number of electrons were compared to the number of atoms in the sun. Infinite.
Here is a demonstration that you can do to show how a massless electron, can create mass and weight, through a number of energy/velocity, transfers in the proton. You can see in the animation and then the actual movie how this is plausible. No increase in mass, yet a consumption, of applied energy, or better put velocity.
http://www.Rockwelder.com/Flash/BallsandTime/BallsandTime.html
http://www.Rockwelder.com/Flash/BallsAndAtoms/BallsAndAtoms.html
A lady can always say she weighs less then that.
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| Pong |
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| Everything massive (having mass) is made of bosuns, and bosuns themselves are massive. So that aspect is, same old , same old. Bosuns might behave oddly though. |
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| serpicojr |
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| A bosun will act particularly oddly if you get him drunk. Best thing to do is put 'im in the longboat until he's sober. |
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| Matt Lee |
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Thanks for the explanation William, im still trynna get my head round it though!
Cheers everybody |
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| KALSTER |
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No! Don't listen to William! It is his own little theory which incidentally is absolutely wrong.
Rather take a look here for an introduction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson
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| William McCormick |
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| KALSTER wrote: |
No! Don't listen to William! It is his own little theory which incidentally is absolutely wrong.
Rather take a look here for an introduction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson
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With a hypothetical particle like the Higgins bosun, discovered now. I am surprised the theory of pool tables is even considered reality.
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| William McCormick |
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| Matt Lee wrote: |
Thanks for the explanation William, im still trynna get my head round it though!
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Oh, if we had a few more individuals like yourself, around in the late sixties and early seventies. That could get past not being able to see the electron ever. We would have one of the most outrageous places to live.
Do you know that many newer scientists thought it was a government conspiracy group saying you will never be able to see a singular electron.
With all the amazing things coming to light in a few years time. They almost rightly thought, that surly in a few months or years, we could see one. But the iron fist of the Universal Scientist that often did pound to a governmental drum. Just said, NO! NEVER!
In a way the Universal Scientists were right, because you could never prove that. But I do not believe that they gave enough analogies to let the average guy understand how and why, they came to their conclusions. Poor communication.
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The best way to think of a boson is to think of a photon, as it is a typical example. Bosons are all spin 1 objects, and are supposed to be massless. The Higgs boson however, is presented as the link between mass and masslessness and should be very massive. That is why the current search for it is being done at the LHC where only it can achieve the supposed energy of its creation. This is the Standard Model view.
My ultrawave theory shows that all bosons have mass and so no such thing as the Higgs boson need exist. I'm not saying that they won't find parrticles at the energy level being examined, it just won't be a Higgs boson. |
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Isn't the higgs supposed to be vacuum energy or something like that? Think I saw a video about it. You could apparantly (theoretically) turn off and on the higgs field and something would happen, can't remember. Supposedly the big bang happened when the higgs field was turned on? Tell me if I'm very, very, very wrong please. 
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| PritishKamat |
| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: Re: What exactly IS the Higgs Boson? |
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| Matt Lee wrote: |
Hi guys!
I don't mean to sound thick here, but I have searched and searched but still cannot find a simple, basic explanation of the Higgs Boson.
I am very curious to know what it is exactly, so I would relaly appreciate it if one of you out there would be kind enough to enlighten me and give me a basic understanding of the Higgs Boson.
Thanks guys, hope to hear soon |
In the universe, there is instability where symmetry exists. so, it tries to move towards stability and , in this process, loses some of its symmetry.
This is spontaneous symmetry breaking. and the way this happens is dependent on many conditions like region, time, temperature, etc.
In spontaneous symmetry breaking, there is a physical qty whose value signals that symmetry is breaking and how. This is called the HIGGS FIELD. In quantum field theory, we hear of fields (eg. EM, nuclear forces, gravity field ) being present due to interaction thru bosons. So, Higgs field has its own boson, called the Higgs boson
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PritishKamat, good job.
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No! Don't listen to William! It is his own little theory
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theory? You are a kind and generous person.
The Higgs boson is one place to look for clues about where to go from the Standard Model. Therefore the biggest hope is not that they will find it where the Standard Model predicts, but just the opposite. Scientists have been hoping to poke a hole in the Standard Model for some time. Looks to me like, if they do not find the Higgs boson under 144 GeV then this pokes a hole in the Standard Model through which physicists could look for the clues they need in their efforts to solve the puzzle of quantum gravity.
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| PritishKamat |
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I hear that the Higgs boson needs a stable value of mass, to prevent it from reaching Planck's mass due to spontaneous symmetry breaking.
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| William McCormick |
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| mitchellmckain wrote: |
PritishKamat, good job.
| KALSTER wrote: |
No! Don't listen to William! It is his own little theory
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theory? You are a kind and generous person.
The Higgs boson is one place to look for clues about where to go from the Standard Model. Therefore the biggest hope is not that they will find it where the Standard Model predicts, but just the opposite. Scientists have been hoping to poke a hole in the Standard Model for some time. Looks to me like, if they do not find the Higgs boson under 144 GeV then this pokes a hole in the Standard Model through which physicists could look for the clues they need in their efforts to solve the puzzle of quantum gravity. |
You guys are pretty funny. To think that we do not know what we are talking about.
I know you have never thought about how you would ever see an electron. Because the great scientists at the time, that were being given high paying jobs through government grants, grants for their poor scientific skills. Ran into the Universal Scientists, like they were running into a brick wall.
It was so embarrassing for the new scientists and for the Universal Scientists, because the Universal Scientists realized after seeing what fools were in charge of science, that the Universal Scientists failed to communicate that science was finished and totally understood.
The new scientists went to explain how they were going to see an electron. And the explanation they started to give ended up in a red faced, we could never see an electron, ending.
The sad part about it was, that both sides had destroyed the other, for ever perhaps. Because since that time, a time that I had it all, neatly and well kept, we have just sunk into the dark ages of science.
They had never even thought about the human eye. And how it perceives electrical charges, and turns them into a picture.
To see an electron, you are going to have to look through billions of atoms of air. And an infinite number of electrons.
Then what ever recording device, if you are not going to look at this singular electron directly, is going to have a lens, made of all kinds of chemicals and contaminants.
If it is paper film, chemically active substances will be on it to create a picture. Involving billions of atoms.
If the recording device is digital, you might be putting it through billions of atoms in the electronics.
My point is that, by the time you claim that you have isolated an electron. You will need billions of electrons to get a picture or outline of the electron and or its path, to your eye.
You guys go on and on, as if you are getting closer and closer to something wonderful. Meanwhile with every silly post you are striking a nail into the coffin of science. Which I am starting to believe is your goal.
There are no good scientists right now on earth.
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William McCormick
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