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| DrCWho |
 Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:06 am Post subject: Was Noah's Ark a Time Machine? |
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That would explain a number of timeline arguments and physics involved. God can inflate a wormhole at will. If He can place a protective force around 3 dudes in an oven, He can place a different time-space continuum around a large mass of cypress (gopherwood.) What was a year on the ark could have been millions of years outside of it.
Most scientifics I encounter say a global flood is impossible. If that's so then why does the Jovian moon Europa have a layer of ice enveloping the moon, which compares to the Earth, and every indication that it encases a global ocean beneath. A water world.
Consider all the underground rivers around the planet. Over 65 million years the water levels have declined to the point where you can take a raft ride through some of them. There was far more water inside the planet then, than there is now.
God assured Noah He would never destroy the Earth again by water. Maybe that's because it was easier then, but today it would take... well... a miracle and I mean a really big one. 
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Why not.
Oh and God won't kill us all with water again, he made a covenant with that, the sign being that as long as we continue to see rainbows he won't break it.  .
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:28 am Post subject: Re: Was Noah's Ark a Time Machine? |
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| If that's so then why does the Jovian moon Europa have a layer of ice enveloping the moon, which compares to the Earth, and every indication that it encases a global ocean beneath. A water world. |
the earth and europa don't compare at all - being closer to the sun the earth is predominated by non-volatile, rocky materials, whilst a large portion of europa is made up of water ice, the top layer of which is turned liquid through tidal effects in its orbit around jupiter
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: |
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Marnix,
We can't tell yet what is beneath the water of Europa to a conclusive degree. Can you prove beyond a doubt that Eupopa and the inner asteroid belt, not the Kuiper belt, were never in closer proximity to our orbit during the solar system's earlier moments of formation?
425,
God can do anything. He can Gaspra in our direction if He gets too disgusted with us...
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Marnix,
We can't tell yet what is beneath the water of Europa to a conclusive degree. Can you prove beyond a doubt that Eupopa and the inner asteroid belt, not the Kuiper belt, were never in closer proximity to our orbit during the solar system's earlier moments of formation?
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no i can't prove europa's position during the solar system's formation
i can, however, be sure that its current density is consistent with a mixture of silicate rock and water ice, and is far lower than the earth's density
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| The reason why there are land masses on Earth is because of plate tectonics. I'm not sure but is there plate tectonics on Europa? Are there volcanoes, hydrothermal vents, etc? Without these the rock underneath the water-ice on Europa would be fairly flat. On a flat world there could very well be a global flood because there would be nothing impeding the water from surrounding the planet if there was lots of it. On Earth we would need a whole lot more water to cover up all the land masses than Europa does. |
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| Are there volcanoes, hydrothermal vents, etc? Without these the rock underneath the water-ice on Europa would be fairly flat. |
We can't tell for certain. We can take thermographs and examine the spectrometry of the moon and draw conclusions. One thing we can draw conclusions about is that Jupiter is almost like a tiiny, nested star system of its own. Io is the most volcanic body in the Solar system. Both Io and Europa are heated primarily by jovian thermodynamics.
Regarding the position of any of the planets during star ignition cannot be known as of current detection methods. Hubble depicted forming star systems in the Orion Nebula and showed that the planets and star form simultaneously, still the star ignites after the planets are cooled and illuminated by nebular photons and tethonic elements. When the star ignites, it will widen the orbits of all but the most energetic bodies. We see that in steadfast Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars. Orbital radius and the related gravitational ripple decides much about the future of the planet it contains.
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Why not.
Oh and God won't kill us all with water again, he made a covenant with that, the sign being that as long as we continue to see rainbows he won't break it. . |
and wasn't it also believed that it had never rained before, which is why no one was believing Noah? "water from the sky? You're crazy Noah"
WTHell did everyone drink? Was water continuously gushing from the earth everywhere? |
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Yes it was a time machine. It had a flux capacitor and everything. Problem was, God forgot to tell Noah he needed a rotor to reach 88. Oh well.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| Was water continuously gushing from the earth everywhere? |
Yes. Earlier in Genesis it explains this. the early earth was a misty place with springs and fountains.
Some things many aren't aware of is that the moon escapes us at about 3cm per year. The moon influences the rotational velocity of the Earth. At one time the moon was orbitting at a higher velocity within the Roche limit and during that period the earth rotated once every six hours. We know this from the lunar ranging experiments carried on at UNiversity of Texas at Austin ever since Apollo 14(Correct me on that if my events are out of sequence) placed the retro-reflector on the moon.
425,
Fascinating. Something akin to division by zero... 
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