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| aistobasbistoc |
 Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: True of False |
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Climate is the long term condition of the atmosphere. Note that climate cannot actually be observed and really does not exist at any particular moment. Climate is therefore a conceptual statistical construction from measured weather elements.
That said, how would you respond to this statement:
True or False
Ecosystems are not influenced by climate. |
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| numb3rs |
| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| aistobasbistoc |
| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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btw I say True, because if according to the statement climate is 'a conceptual statistical construction' then how can it effect ecosystems?
Why do you say False Numb3rs? |
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| numb3rs |
| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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well let me make shure im hearing you right before i make a statement that makes me look stupid  your saying that an ecosytem can stay in effect without climat? sorry im not much on comprehending. |
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| aistobasbistoc |
| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm saying that Climate cannot effect ecosytems. |
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| numb3rs |
| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| to hell it cant. if the climat changes from humid sub-tropical from a very cold climat dont you think the ecosystem is going to be effected dramaticly? |
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| aistobasbistoc |
| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| read my first post again. |
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| numb3rs |
| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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ya ima stop posting here i cant figure out what your asking  |
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| free radical |
| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose it would be like saying ecosystems are not influenced by radiation.
It sounds to me as though the point is that it is changes in a condition, rather than a condition itself, that affects a system. |
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| marnixR |
| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: |
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ecosystems are affected by weather, especially so if particular weather types persist or return at frequent intervals
you could say that climate is a summary of certain weather types in a certain place - they may be a human construct but there is a real difference between climates predominated by rain/drought or heat/cold
in short, both climate and ecosystems are caused in some way by weather - this gives the appearance of a causal relationship between them
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| aistobasbistoc |
| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| So is anyone going to state true or false like the question asks? I thought scientists knew how to read questions properly. |
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| free radical |
| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| aistobasbistoc wrote: |
| So is anyone going to state true or false like the question asks? I thought scientists knew how to read questions properly. |
Actually, most scientists are defined by their ability to frame questions properly. They are also certainly not given towards black and white answers. (By and large  .) |
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| numb3rs |
| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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BURN! 
ok know that i kinda understand the question ill say false agian |
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| sunshinewarrior |
| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:59 am Post subject: Re: True of False |
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| aistobasbistoc wrote: |
Climate is the long term condition of the atmosphere. Note that climate cannot actually be observed and really does not exist at any particular moment. Climate is therefore a conceptual statistical construction from measured weather elements.
That said, how would you respond to this statement:
True or False
Ecosystems are not influenced by climate. |
False.
Ecosystems, by your play on definitions, are also conceptual statitiscal constructions (try and demonstrate otherwise!). It makes perfect sense for one conceptual statistical construction (me - or prove otherwise) to say that it is false (empirically speaking, simply a conceptual statisical construction - vide the Problem of Induction) that ecosystems (csc) are not influenced by climate (csc).
As Free Radical pointed out, if your question was meant to be clever, it failed. |
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| Ophiolite |
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| aistobasbistoc wrote: |
| So is anyone going to state true or false like the question asks? I thought scientists knew how to read questions properly. |
In addition to free radical's excellent response I would observe that scientists can also recognise a loaded question when they see one. This one hinges entirely upon a particular definition of climate without (as sunshine warriror has pointed out) a concomittant definition of ecology. It is a poor question, unless it is intended to elicit a discussion, not only of climate, weather and ecology, but also of artificial classification systems.
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