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| sunshinewarrior |
 Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:15 am Post subject: They've only bloomin' assassinated her haven't they? |
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Benazir Bhutto killed by suspected suicide bomber.
I was at uni in Bombay the day they killed Indira Gandhi, and I spent most of the day in shock and disbelief. Today is turning into that same sort of detached, surreal experience.
Pakistan's in for a hard time and it's not going to help the Middle East that the US's favoured person for a political rapprochement in Pakistan suddenly no longer exists.
I'm still a bit too shaken to think through the implications... |
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| jackson33 |
| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:08 am Post subject: Re: They've only bloomin' assassinated her haven't they? |
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| sunshinewarrio wrote: |
Benazir Bhutto killed by suspected suicide bomber.
I was at uni in Bombay the day they killed Indira Gandhi, and I spent most of the day in shock and disbelief. Today is turning into that same sort of detached, surreal experience.
Pakistan's in for a hard time and it's not going to help the Middle East that the US's favoured person for a political rapprochement in Pakistan suddenly no longer exists.
I'm still a bit too shaken to think through the implications... |
Looks like a rather well planned plot. Draw her from one place and kill by gun shots...
Implications are likely to be in stability, not only in Pakistan, but in India, Afghanistan and the middle east. I AM concerned and shaken as you... |
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| free radical |
| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:04 am Post subject: Re: They've only bloomin' assassinated her haven't they? |
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| sunshinewarrio wrote: |
Benazir Bhutto killed by suspected suicide bomber.
I was at uni in Bombay the day they killed Indira Gandhi, and I spent most of the day in shock and disbelief. Today is turning into that same sort of detached, surreal experience.
Pakistan's in for a hard time and it's not going to help the Middle East that the US's favoured person for a political rapprochement in Pakistan suddenly no longer exists.
I'm still a bit too shaken to think through the implications... |
Agreed. |
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Now you understand why Jesus said blessed are the meek.
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| Robbie |
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The weak are meek, if she had been meek would she have accomplished anything for her beliefs & the beliefs of millions of those in Pakistan.
All I can hope is that someone follows her legacy & that this is not forgotten. She was only a moderate; her views were not extreme. Now what is the alternative for Pakistan. Is there no compromise by whoever had this done? This is a very serious time for Pakistan.
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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| Robbie wrote: |
The weak are meek, if she had been meek would she have accomplished anything for her beliefs & the beliefs of millions of those in Pakistan.
All I can hope is that someone follows her legacy & that this is not forgotten. She was only a moderate; her views were not extreme. Now what is the alternative for Pakistan. Is there no compromise by whoever had this done? This is a very serious time for Pakistan. |
Obviously you don't understand what meekness is.
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| Robbie |
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My definition from my dictionary
Meek: Quiet, gentle, easily imposed on; submissive
not the characteristics of a politician seeking change IMO.
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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| Robbie wrote: |
My definition from my dictionary
Meek: Quiet, gentle, easily imposed on; submissive
not the characteristics of a politician seeking change IMO. |
Wrong. I am not meek to my fellow man if thats the definition you claim to be true.
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| Robbie |
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Then choose a different word! It clearly is not meek.
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| free radical |
| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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(Perhaps such tangents are better suited to the philosophy board?)
Back to the OP, it seems that violence has broken out (virtually immediately) in response. It is expected that martial law may be declared. The election may be postponed. Elsewhere (i.e. the states), today's event has been pounced upon by hopeful presidential candidates whilst Bush extends what sounds suspiciously like inebriated condolences.
It appears that one individual was determined to de-stabilise current political events in Pakistan. What sort of investigation is to be expected? Will journalists be able to report candidly the events surrounding the assassination? Were terrorist groups involved? Were other political leaders involved?
Terribly sad. Awful. The entire region groans with turmoil. |
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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I've seen that the Pakistanians have set fire to the hospital where she was being treated. Why do they do this?
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| Bunbury |
| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: They've only bloomin' assassinated her haven't they? |
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| sunshinewarrio wrote: |
| I'm still a bit too shaken to think through the implications... |
I too remember being stunned by Mrs. Ghandi's assassination. India is, I think, a very stable democracy, and can weather such storms. Pakistan seems to be a different matter.
This is terribly sad and awful. The goal of the perpetrators, presumably, is to cause chaos, and provoke retaliation which might eventually allow the fundamentalists to take control. I've mentioned before, in another thread, that a fundamentalist takeover in Pakistan could conceivably lead to that country's nuclear weapons being aimed at Israel. This is not an impossible scenario. Israel of course would feel a responsibility to its people to preempt any such attack. The implications could be horrific. |
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| sunshinewarrior |
| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:25 am Post subject: Re: They've only bloomin' assassinated her haven't they? |
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| sunshinewarrio wrote: |
| I'm still a bit too shaken to think through the implications... |
I too remember being stunned by Mrs. Ghandi's assassination. India is, I think, a very stable democracy, and can weather such storms. Pakistan seems to be a different matter.
This is terribly sad and awful. The goal of the perpetrators, presumably, is to cause chaos, and provoke retaliation which might eventually allow the fundamentalists to take control. I've mentioned before, in another thread, that a fundamentalist takeover in Pakistan could conceivably lead to that country's nuclear weapons being aimed at Israel. This is not an impossible scenario. Israel of course would feel a responsibility to its people to preempt any such attack. The implications could be horrific. |
Oh dear oh dear oh dear. You've got me thinking about this now.
OTOH I suspect that Musharraf (Dubya's good friend "The General") may well make capital of this. He's declared 3 days of mourning, but I'm guessing the elections will go ahead, and he'll win big.
Eventually, like Zia, he will die - possibly killed. That's when it will go to hell in a handbasket. Those nukes will be very very scary. I hold no particular brief for Israel (and in general sympathise with the plight of the Palestinians against the Greater Zion-ists), but I agree - it will not be able to sit by inactive if there's a nuclear threat from Pakistan.
A lot of this stuff is, of course, America's reaping (and no doubt the UK's too) - why oh why support non-democratic regimes in the name of realpolitik? What integrity will you have left and what moral authority?
Look on our works, ye mighty, and despair... |
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| Bunbury |
| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Realpolitik is OK if you have a smart team and keep your eye on the ball. Unfortunately we have the Bush administration.
I wonder how many al Qaeda-sympathetic Pakistani generals it takes to take control of the nukes. |
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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| Bunbury wrote: |
Realpolitik is OK if you have a smart team and keep your eye on the ball. Unfortunately we have the Bush administration.
I wonder how many al Qaeda-sympathetic Pakistani generals it takes to take control of the nukes. |
There may be trouble ahead...
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