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| zazzzoom |
 Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:37 pm Post subject: Space Ends |
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Space does not go on forever and ever, Space Ends.
That way space has a shape. |
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| Communist Hamster |
| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 3:07 am Post subject: |
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Space is forever expanding, so it is infinite and does not end. Therefore you are wrong.
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| zazzzoom |
| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 8:43 am Post subject: no No NO |
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| Communist Hamster wrote: |
| Space is forever expanding, so it is infinite and does not end. Therefore you are wrong. |
Space does not expand, space ends that way space has a shape and the shape of space moves from one shape to another shape. |
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| invert_nexus |
| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| Space does not expand |
Ahhh.
I get you.
Pseudoscience.
(How do you explain redshift then? And how big is space? Must be big enough where all the light from all the stars hasn't reached everywhere yet. If space has an end does it have a beginning? Are you speaking in terms of space or time or both? What shape does it have? Torus? Cowboy hat? Saddle? The letter Q? If space has an end, what's on the other end of space to delineate this shape?) |
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| zazzzoom |
| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 10:42 am Post subject: Space Ends |
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| invert_nexus wrote: |
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| Space does not expand |
Ahhh.
I get you.
Pseudoscience.
(How do you explain redshift then? And how big is space? Must be big enough where all the light from all the stars hasn't reached everywhere yet. If space has an end does it have a beginning? Are you speaking in terms of space or time or both? What shape does it have? Torus? Cowboy hat? Saddle? The letter Q? If space has an end, what's on the other end of space to delineate this shape?) |
the size of space is not as important as is that you come to the understanding that space ends that way space has a shape and that shape of space moves from one shape to another shape. |
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| zazzzoom |
| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 10:45 am Post subject: any direction |
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| invert_nexus wrote: |
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| Space does not expand |
Ahhh.
I get you.
Pseudoscience.
(How do you explain redshift then? And how big is space? Must be big enough where all the light from all the stars hasn't reached everywhere yet. If space has an end does it have a beginning? Are you speaking in terms of space or time or both? What shape does it have? Torus? Cowboy hat? Saddle? The letter Q? If space has an end, what's on the other end of space to delineate this shape?) |
any direction you go you would find that space ends |
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| Communist Hamster |
| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Evidence? Reputable scientist? Ancient texts? What do you have to back up these claims?
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| poly_nightmare |
| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| We have no way of knowing how big the universe is. All we have are estimates. I don't think there is an end to the universe. If space is getting larger and larger, then there is no end to it. Its shape is constantly expanding and changing. |
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| flying_kiwi |
| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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I'm guessing space doesn't end, it is forever expanding. It's kinda hard to understand that something doesn't have an end( or a begining for that metter) well there's something we already know that doesn't have beginning or an end. Numbers.  Or a rainbow( but thats just an optical iilution so it's not a good example. |
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| Disco-neck Ted |
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If something is expanding, does that not imply that it is not endless, at least in conventional terms?
Time goes by, expansion of the endless universe occurs and it becomes relatively "more endless"? "Endlesser"?
Hmmm.
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| (In)Sanity |
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Space, an interesting topic.
I consider space like the inside of a cup (In virtual reality). The inside of a cup in day to day life always holds something, it has air and some particles inside of it at all times. Even if we vacuum out the cup in a chamber it still will have some residual molecule hanging around.
Now think of a cup in virtual reality, what's inside the cup? Well unless it's programmed in, nothing at all. Does the inside of the cup still exist in this virtual reality, why sure it does. Can it be defined, labeled, measured, yes. Can it expand to infinity, yes.
So you see, space is like a container that exists, but doesn't really exist. Objects can exist within it, yet we can't scoop up space and place it in a jar. It's a void place holder for matter and energy. One could think of it as a computer memory chip that has yet to contain data. The difference is that it goes into a tri state mode when not in use, it vanishes from value. It contains nothing at all, yet it is ready and willing to accept new objects.
So does space end, no. Space is not physical, it is a construction medium for other objects. Unlimited in scope. It is void of value, yet still exists. |
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| Jacques.X |
| Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| invert_nexus wrote: |
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| Space does not expand |
Ahhh.
I get you.
Pseudoscience.
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Oh but it's worse than just pseudoscience invert_nexus, oh so much worse. Zazzzoom has posted his views on the universe in multiple threads, and then refers to the following website: http://www.cybcity.com/theuniverse. He's confused to say the least. |
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| Disco-neck Ted |
| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| (In)Sanity wrote: |
| Now think of a cup in virtual reality, what's inside the cup? Well unless it's programmed in, nothing at all. Does the inside of the cup still exist in this virtual reality, why sure it does. Can it be defined, labeled, measured, yes. Can it expand to infinity, yes. |
This was an interesting thought-exercise. Thanks. Not sure it helps much in the final analysis, though.
Seems to me that if the cup "exists" in VR, it must occupy space beyond that which it contains. So the total space there, occupied and unoccupied, must at least meet the dimensions of the cup, not the inside. And since the cup could likely be assigned any positive dimensional values, the worskpace into which to virtualize such a cup must already be there, or be ready to be there, which I'm going to treat as being equivalent. Thus, the space of this virtual reality would be unlimited, or limited only in the processing power of the VR program, regardless of whether it is occupied or not. The limit, if any, isn't established by what the space contains, but by other factors. The workspace would still exist, bounded or limitless, even if it were entirely unused.
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| (In)Sanity |
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| Disco-neck Ted wrote: |
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| Now think of a cup in virtual reality, what's inside the cup? Well unless it's programmed in, nothing at all. Does the inside of the cup still exist in this virtual reality, why sure it does. Can it be defined, labeled, measured, yes. Can it expand to infinity, yes. |
This was an interesting thought-exercise. Thanks. Not sure it helps much in the final analysis, though.
Seems to me that if the cup "exists" in VR, it must occupy space beyond that which it contains. So the total space there, occupied and unoccupied, must at least meet the dimensions of the cup, not the inside. And since the cup could likely be assigned any positive dimensional values, the worskpace into which to virtualize such a cup must already be there, or be ready to be there, which I'm going to treat as being equivalent. Thus, the space of this virtual reality would be unlimited, or limited only in the processing power of the VR program, regardless of whether it is occupied or not. The limit, if any, isn't established by what the space contains, but by other factors. The workspace would still exist, bounded or limitless, even if it were entirely unused. |
Ok, wow. Your correct...I just never expected anyone to read that much
into it. Perhaps my analogy was not the best.
Think of it this way, space in VR doesn't really exist at all. We still can however define it, section it off, decide what to put where. Real space is kind of the same way. It doesn't exist, yet we can map it. I had another thread that questioned what holds it together. In the case of VR it's the memory of the machine. |
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| flying_kiwi |
| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| OUR space can have it's limits, but then...there are other dimenions...(well maybe)( i think so at least) so there's more that ONE actual space, there's thousands more universes. More tea cups, side by side. |
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