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| Cold Fusion |
 Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:58 am Post subject: Satisfaction with stupidity |
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-Who here is surrounded by idiots? I am; today I mentioned the word carcinogen to a group of my friends, by far the more intelligent people around here, in relation to which deodorants could cause cancer. Guess what....they were baffled by the word and had no idea what it meant or why I thought any of them should know it. After I explained its meaning to them, they asked me if I have been doing ALLOT of reading lately, as in studying to to know such "complex", "advanced" and "intellectual" words like carcinogen. COME ON PEOPLE. Frankly I an sick and tired of the stupidity that I am surrounded with. And it does not end there....I have heard people say such ridiculously stupid things, that I cannot stand it any more. Another day, I mentioned SARS to some people, the virus that went on/is going on in Asia. They had no clue what it meant, and once again criticized me for knowing such a thing. Why is this? They didn't even admit that they should have known it; instead they claimed that it was useless stupid information, and that is the reason why they did not know it. Can you believe this? People really have no shame....none whatsoever. They will find and use any scapegoat possible if it means proving to themselves that they aren't the idiots that they in fact are. "The only thing that we can know is that we know nothing" -Socrates. This is true, very true. Yet people are so damn insecure with their lives that they cannot admit even the slightest error in themselves. I constantly criticize myself, I am my biggest critic; in fact, every idea that I think of, I look at in almost a cynical way. As in, I judge it to no end until I have verified whether it is true or not. Most people, almost all people, will take the first idea the comes into their mind, and not only go with it, but modify its level of stupidity until it further feeds to their never ending lust and gluttony for pleasure.
It just amazes me that I am one intelligent and aware person among so many idiots....it seems like its impossible; by the time people like me started appearing on the evolutionary time chain, the idiots that I deal with should have been eliminated by natural selection. I feel like an entity ten thousand years ahead of its species, that was teleported back in time, and has to deal with the inferiority of its predecessors.
Maybe the sun has fried their brains??? Maybe that is why not a single neuron in their blank minds is doing a single useful thing for them.
People are way to optimistic about humanity. People like to call each other intelligent, say that humanity has a bright future, and all of those other pleasant things. Even if a person viewing another person who is an idiot is intelligent, they still are conforming to society. Society wants you to believe that everyone is smart (The real definition) and knows what they're doing...that way the morons will be put under less criticism and will never have the truth broken to them that they are actually utter imbeciles.
I wish people could just wake up and admit their deficiencies. 
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| free radical |
| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: |
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At a guess, based on this post, you and your friends are about 18 to 22 yo.
Early adult brains are not done developing (some estimates put it at late twenties), despite the fact that most of the major development features happened long ago. Various hormones, which affect behaviour, also vary from one person to the next - which goes some ways towards explainning the difference in development. Your friends will catch up with you eventually and at some point recognise that a working familiarity with "complex, advanced, intellectual" words is not daft.
Of course, by then you only have a small window before you all begin the long decline into old age.  |
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| zinjanthropos |
| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Satisfaction with stupidity |
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| Cold Fusion wrote: |
| -It just amazes me that I am one intelligent and aware person among so many idiots....it seems like its impossible; |
Maybe you're part of a group being deleted from the evolutionary pool, unable to adapt to a stupid world.  |
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| Cold Fusion |
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I have friends of all age groups (18-45,but mostly around 19), and yes there is a considerable increase in intelligence as they get older. But even so, not even the older of them are very intelligent on average...but at least they do not criticize me. Lets see, out of my 55 or so friends, one that is 19 is very intelligent, but unfortunately does not take anything seriously, and 2 are about 35, who are little more intelligent than the 19 year old, but again do not like to have intellectual discussions that often....which is why I come to this forum. 
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| Cold Fusion |
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lol zinjanthropos....unfortunately I think you may be correct. 
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| zinjanthropos |
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| Cold Fusion wrote: |
| lol zinjanthropos....unfortunately I think you may be correct. |
Is evolution about the survival of life or the gaining of intelligence?
Take a look at the dinos. Supposedly birds have evolved from them. When I look at a chicken or another form of poultry for instance, I see a very dumb critter. If intelligence is the end result of millions of years of evolution then those ancient reptiles were as dumb as stumps. Or they may have become too smart to adapt. Perhaps dumbing down is beneficial to survival. 
Think about it. If you wish to remain in that group of friends you've mentioned then you must dumb down when around them or your social life suffers. You're a minority. How do your friends react when you lay some intelligencia on them? |
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| Patches1 |
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zinjanthropos, you clearly haven’t had a chicken as a friend. The are not so stupid as people make out. They can be taught numerous tricks in the same way as a dog and are at least as faithful. That was my reply to a situation as explained by Cold Fusion. I taught a feathered friend to fetch; to sit (actually to lie dormant, with wings outstretched); to dance and to warn me of visitors. But most of all, through colour coding I taught it to push the correct textbook in my direction; something my less-well endowed friends could not do. They were all university trained scientists, with exceptionally narrow training that often led them astray if more than one discipline was needed to solve a problem. Can you imagine doing the same thing with a chickens ancestors? I can’t. A pterodactyl would make hell of mess. 
zinjanthropos suggests [i]Perhaps dumbing down is beneficial to survival[/i] I think it's more a case of 'stand outs' don't get along with groups. 
I’m not suggesting you restrict your acquaintances to animals, although you won’t get any more ignorant conversations. It’s a bit like mice. If you take mice and put their living quarters next to an EMR emitting device, the first generation of mice born will be a little smarter than the previous. Unfortunately this is not increased with the next generation, otherwise my world would be run with little white mice carrying brief cases and wearing bowler hats. 
And by the time you get a littler older, only people as strange (and as well read as yourself) will find you comfortable to be around. It sorts itself out with age. Have a little patience and keep learning.  |
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| Cold Fusion |
| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:52 am Post subject: |
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They really do not like it when I talk like I do on this forum.....they usually insult me, and call me derogatory terms. You may ask, "Then why are they your friends?".....its because they are the best this miserable city has to offer. If I did not have any friends, I would feel quite lonely....though, I've never really had any friends my entire life, and have had to find ways to pass the time....like philosophizing. But now where I stand, they are necessary for various reasons...so I have to deal with their incompetency.
And what makes this all even worse, is that since there are so few people like me, it will be impossible to find a wife some day. I am between myself on whether a wife is necessary or not, but if I do choose to seek out a partner, it will be extremely difficult. Already I know 3 people that I can talk to on a decent level, I will likely not find any more than that after I inevitably move to another city. Add gender in, and it is reduced 1 1/2 people; how important is intelligence in finding a wife to you?
Too add another example: One time I was having a debate with one of them over religion and why I know none of what is in the bible, or is preached by the church is true-why there is no god, or it least there is a very small chance that there is. After I explained everything to him, he actually admitted that everything I said was true, and therefore I am correct. So then I asked him whether he is atheistic now or not....he said no, and that he still believes in a god. What the hell? This is a perfect example or human nature. Even if they are statistically proven wrong, they will still believe in whatever makes them feel the best. It is gluttonous pleasure-it reminds me of the Romans. They became so involved with constantly making themselves feel better through alcohol, violence, and sex, that they ended up destroying themselves from the inside out. This is how people where I live act. I explained in another thread the equilibrium that we all have-that it is impossible to go either higher or lower in terms of pleasure. I find that whenever I am very happy or have endured a great amount of pleasure, I will soon become very depressed or suffer some misfortune; and when my life goes wrong in every way possible, all fails, and all hope seems lost, I start to feel this happiness from inside, out of nowhere, like the sun parting a cloud laden sky. This I think, could be what Edgar Allen Poe describes to be the sensation of perverseness....the act of liking pain, or doing harm, for the sake of getting the balancing sensation. (Not that I do that)
As you now know my age (I have mentioned it before, discretely), I guess I can say that I am very happy to be going to a prestigious college next year. Finally the population of utter morons will be brought down to 25%, and the normal morons 75%, which will make it much easier for me to have intellectual conversations in person. But don't worry, I will still come to this forum as often as I can.
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| he said no, and that he still believes in a god. |
You may have just discovered the problem of stupid friends.
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| Patches1 wrote: |
| zinjanthropos suggests Perhaps dumbing down is beneficial to survival I think it's more a case of 'stand outs' don't get along with groups. |
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| And what makes this all even worse, is that since there are so few people like me, it will be impossible to find a wife some day. I am between myself on whether a wife is necessary or not, but if I do choose to seek out a partner, it will be extremely difficult. |
Patches: Actually I wasn't being serious but alas, there may be some truth in it. CF recognizes that to find a mate he must either dumb down or get extremely lucky. CF is even contemplating not looking for a mate at all. If his DNA isn't passed on then is super intelligence a non-beneficial genetic mutation?   |
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| free radical |
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He has also indicated that he stands a good chance (that is, it is not unlikely) to find 1.5 female friends at university that he can hold an intelligent conversation with, (based on past friendship acquisition rates ).
How many wives do you hope to have, CF? Most consider one wife to be more than sufficient! |
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Cold Fusion, what do you want a wife for? To debate or to mate? A wife who is also a mother does not have the time or the energy to debate, unless her husband does the shopping; the housework; the finances, etc. Having and looking after kids is a full time job and as a daddy, you will find there's little space in your mind after a night of little sleep and worry about junior's cough, colds, scratches, dints and dents, etc. and THEN you have to go to work!
I read other people's works and words on God and have come to the conclusion that it's the interpretation that's the problem. How about defining God before discussing other people's issues on the same subject and you'll soon see what I mean.
Until I see evidence to the contrary, I'm not sure the Romans didn't do themselves in from lead poisoning. If the Artic ice cores reveal Pb is such quantities that the Roman period is easily recognisable, then Rome must have been awash with the stuff and stupid/erratic behaviour is a symptom of lead poisoning.  |
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| Cold Fusion wrote: |
.like philosophizing. But now where I stand, they are necessary for various reasons...so I have to deal with their incompetency.
And what makes this all even worse, is that since there are so few people like me, it will be impossible to find a wife some day. I am between myself on whether a wife is necessary or not, but if I do choose to seek out a partner, it will be extremely difficult. Already I know 3 people that I can talk to on a decent level, I will likely not find any more than that after I inevitably move to another city. Add gender in, and it is reduced 1 1/2 people; how important is intelligence in finding a wife to you? |
ok firstly, "philosophizing" instead of socialising, dangerous! If you really had done some philosophizing you may have realised how little you or humanity really knows anyway. Hanging round with friends isn;t an intellectual feat, it comes up every now and again with my friends and often enough I enjoy being the authority on say science, philosophy, politics. You are claiming to be intelligent, from what you're saying I would call you intolerant, if you take this Nietzsche disease of humanity view on everyone you know you will most certainly end up alone by choice. (and look what happened Nietzsche!)
Either way, dont worry about it you're young, I wouldnt look for an intelligent wife (and dont approach girls telling them you're looking for a wife, bad start!), i would look for someone who you can have a good understanding with, there are girls I have gone out with who I have some very different views with yet there is still an understanding of each other, intelligence is not the only factor in life or relationships, not that simple. Keep in mind social intelligence is also a factor so maybe work on that.
I've had that religion debate, you wont change people's mind in 5minutes, you may never, I once was religious and cant say in good confidence that Im happier now not believing in a God than before so I wouldnt advocate shoving you're views down their throats.
I will admit I do sometimes find people's views annoying but everyone is entitled to their opinion including not having one! Im sure people are equally annoyed by some of my views, there is no distinctive right or wrong a lot of the time.
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I know, the troubles of marriage. Do you guys think its worth it? I'm really not very sure right now.
Lead poisoning was a big problem, but there were also many other issues with their society.
Robbie: I already stated that I believe in what Socrates said about how we all know nothing; the more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.
I'm not intolerant; if I were intolerant, then I would have no friends and would be in complete isolation right now. I am likely the most tolerant person around if you define tolerance as not showing how much you dislike certain things, and never taking action due to it (But of course if change could be made, I would try my best). This thread is the first time I have told anyone about by feelings on this.
To tell you the truth, I was also once religious (Raised by very Christian parents) , up until five years of age when I finally gained enough reasoning skills to understand that it was all nonsensical BS. None of my friends were atheist either. "It is easy in the world to live after the world's opinion; it is easy in solitude to live after our own; but the great man is he who in the midst of the crowd keeps with perfect sweetness the independence of solitude." -Ralph Waldo Emerson
Never take my age into consideration, unless it is extremely pertinent to the matter at hand, like marriage. -Regardless of ones intelligence, some things can only be learned with time.
I have observed that people let emotions like love get to them too much when looking for a partner. When they do this, and ignore their differences, disaster will ensue, likely leading to a divorce. For me, the type of intelligence that they posses is the main determiner of our differences. A persons intelligence determines ever facet of their life and how they live it.
How would you define social intelligence? Is it the ability to convey your emotions? Or is it the ability to conform/manipulate others as needed in order to make every one like you?
Although I may not be able to convince religious people, it is good mental training.
Everyone needs a view on everything. If you do not have a view, then you are being complacent. Having no view at all is as good as always going with the majority.
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Mere ignorance, I can contend with. Everyone is ignorant about certain things, or else there wouldn't be a pursuit of further knowledge to begin with. The rejection of fulfilling that ignorance is what's appalling, and, unfortunately, that's a phenomenon all too common.
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