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| qwertyman |
 Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: Norse gods? |
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why is it that when someone claims a 'modern' religeon to be false they are considered ignorant, racist and are generaly thoght of as fools.
but when someone claims Greek/Norse/whatever gods to be false everyone agrees and we all have a good laugh about how silly the ancient civilisations were?
when you think about it the ancient religeons are no more weird than modern ones, what if Zeus is the real god? we will all go to Hell(whatever his hell is) for making fun of him!
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| Hanuka |
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if there is god (or gods in this case) they should be understanding and not punish people to eternal suffering just because a few jokes... after all, gods dont need to be egoistic in any way. and if they are then i dont want to have anything with them.
People all pick their gods by the times that they live in and fit them to their time.
I`m almost certain that there will be poping up new large scale religions in the far future (or the near, who knows), if theres some thing that history has thought us is that this thing is bound the happen.
btw, greek hell is called 'Tartarus' xD |
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| Obviously |
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No matter how we renew the concept of supernatural entities, it will always remain laughable in my mind.
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But will you still be laughing if God really does exist and He uses his standards to hold you accountable for your life when it is ended?
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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| Obviously wrote: |
| No matter how we renew the concept of supernatural entities, it will always remain laughable in my mind. |
Stop it.
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| daytonturner wrote: |
| But will you still be laughing if God really does exist and He uses his standards to hold you accountable for your life when it is ended? |
Before he did, I would do the same to him and he would grovel at my feet begging forgiveness.
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| Obviously |
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| daytonturner wrote: |
| But will you still be laughing if God really does exist and He uses his standards to hold you accountable for your life when it is ended? |
If he sends me to Hell to burn in eternity just because I didn't believe in him, sure. If God is as unjust as that I will in fact laugh that coward in the face. Can't let a big bully take down your spirit (ironic sentence on at least 2 points, I know).
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| Stop it. |
Stop what, my honesty? I made a good point. People laugh at the gods of ancient times, and in another 100 years or so we might laugh at the god we created in these times. I'm just saving time by laughing now, while I can.
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| Hanuka |
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| daytonturner |
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Obviously misunderstands:
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If he sends me to Hell to burn in eternity just because I didn't believe in him |
Well, that is kind of bassackwards. Hell is the default position. God's only role is to save you from that default and that is based on your decision in this life. God does not "send" people to hell; He saves them from hell if they ask Him to.
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| People laugh at the gods of ancient times, and in another 100 years or so we might laugh at the god we created in these times |
The God apparently in question has revealed Himself to humanity since the earliest of times or approximately 4,000 years ago if you consider His first interactions with Abram, later Abraham. That long ago can hardly be considered "created in these times." Nor can I imagine a God worshipped for 4,000 years and still worshipped by a large majority of the earth's population being completely discredited in the next 100 years. More likely that He will have returned by then.
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| Hanuka |
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what makes you think that hell is the default place that we get sent upon death?
aint hell is a place that u get sent to after you commit so and so evils?
i mean, a man which denies god but did very little evil over the years still goes to hell by your opinion??
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| Obviously |
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| daytonturner wrote: |
| Obviously misunderstands: |
Now that's a little unfair considering I said if.
| daytonturner wrote: |
| Well, that is kind of bassackwards. Hell is the default position. God's only role is to save you from that default and that is based on your decision in this life. God does not "send" people to hell; He saves them from hell if they ask Him to. |
Right. I just asked him now (no answer apparantly). So now he knows I asked him at least. Wow, that was easy. Just in case though, if I land in Hell I guess I'll have to ask him again.
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| The God apparently in question has revealed Himself to humanity since the earliest of times or approximately 4,000 years ago if you consider His first interactions with Abram, later Abraham. That long ago can hardly be considered "created in these times." Nor can I imagine a God worshipped for 4,000 years and still worshipped by a large majority of the earth's population being completely discredited in the next 100 years. More likely that He will have returned by then. |
Yes, well. You might as well write a BIG supposedly behind all that because that is a BIG maybe.
By the way, what I meant by "created in these times" was obviously (ammagad, my nick!) that our interpretation of God is different from what people believed before. Scratch that. What I meant to say was our hundreads of interpretations of God is probably different from what they believed before.
As I said to begin with. No matter how we renew the concept of supernatural entities, it will always remain laughable in my mind.
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Very cute. Perhaps I should write in bold letters "daytonturner supposes."
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition wrote: |
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Stop what, my honesty? I made a good point. People laugh at the gods of ancient times, and in another 100 years or so we might laugh at the god we created in these times. I'm just saving time by laughing now, while I can. |
By saying something is laughable, your being self egotistical and adding your presumptious nature to religion and adding your uneccesary dogma, as usual.
Seriously, saying something is laughable and presenting it on the science forum, is not producing any positive or helpful feedback. You are adding your personal opinion and that if anything in 'intelligent' debate just poisens a greater outcome. Do I ever state my opinions of atheism? No. Because I know what would happen if I did, this thread would resort to the age old atheist/theist argument over and over again, and by this point Obviously, you should know that. Its a waste of time, lets stick with the OP.
Next time when a question comes up, try and answer it if you are going to post, not put your emotional opinion.
The whole nature of 'norse' Gods intruigues me, as do the Epyptians, and all other religions. I wish to learn the truth, and truths mixed with emotion and self opinions can cloud that truth.
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| No matter how we renew the concept of supernatural entities, it will always remain laughable in my mind. |
That was your first contribution to this thread, that tells us your intentions immediatley.
In future keep your personal opinion to yourself. Instead, try placing your scientific opinion yes? The whole point of a science forum?
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| Obviously |
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition wrote: |
| Its a waste of time, lets stick with the OP. |
Yes, I agree. I should continue to stay on topic like I have done, unlike some.
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| In future keep your personal opinion to yourself. Instead, try placing your scientific opinion yes? The whole point of a science forum? |
I've contributed more to this topic than you have so far. You're just going around telling people to sod off and keep their opinions to themselves. You stop it.
In an attempt not to make this post completely meaningless I'll contribute even more to the topic.
| qwertyman wrote: |
| when you think about it the ancient religeons are no more weird than modern ones, what if Zeus is the real god? we will all go to Hell(whatever his hell is) for making fun of him! |
Of course, it's always been like that, even today. Religion can't stand a word against it. In an attempt to justify unfounded belief, pascal's wager is invoked fooling everyone to support the madness. It's as ridiculous as wearing an umbrella inside just in case.
Fear is the ultimate driving force behind religion. Fear of death. Because that's what it's all about, death. Who cares about life? It's death that matters! "And I just happen to know what will happen if you don't do this and this before you die. And how do I know this? Divine intervention, that's how. I have personal proof."
And of course it just happen to be many others with "personal proof" flying around telling people "No, no. He's wrong. My way is the right one. Follow me, or burn."
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: |
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Well, that is kind of bassackwards. Hell is the default position. God's only role is to save you from that default and that is based on your decision in this life. God does not "send" people to hell; He saves them from hell if they ask Him to. |
Madness. Insanity. Your god creates people to place them into the "default position" - an eternity of hellfire, then demands they worship him or they burn. That is one of the stupidest fairy tales ever told, Dayton.
Sorry, but you're an adult? You believe this nonsense?
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| The God apparently in question has revealed Himself to humanity since the earliest of times or approximately 4,000 years ago if you consider His first interactions with Abram, later Abraham. |
And you equate your level of intelligence to man of 4000 years ago?
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Dont understimate the intellegence of the people of the past.
Do you really think that a modern man with some modern culture knowlegdge and things that he`s beem though in school/university/wheatever and a life expireance of 90 tops is more intellegent then a man who lived his life according to his beliefs, learned from hundreds of peoples over the years and has a life experiance of around 120 years?? |
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