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| CyndiLoo |
 Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:52 am Post subject: Lost Star of Myth and Time |
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Is anyone familiar with the book “Lost Star of Myth and Time,” by Walter Cruttenden? The description of this book presents it as evidence that a binary orbital relationship may be the cause of a vast cycling causing the Dark and Golden Ages common to the lore of ancient cultures. It was presented as a combination historical and astronomical work. This completely fascinated me, so I went to the website to find more information. After reading the description of the author and the book, I am not so certain that it is not more astrology, or perhaps scifi attempting to be science. Would someone who has more of an understanding about history and astronomy please consider viewing the below link and sharing your thoughts based on the description, so I can make an informed decision as to whether to read it or not?
www.loststarbook.com
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| cosmictraveler |
| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:31 am Post subject: |
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The precession of the equinox, or just precession, has long been attributed to local forces wobbling the Earth’s axis. However, new evidence indicates the Earth’s axis does not change orientation relative to local objects at the same rate that it changes orientation to objects outside the solar system. This indicates precession may be partially due to the geometric effect of the solar system’s motion through space.
Lost Star of Myth and Time examines this new theory of precession and the possibility our Earth
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subjected to a greater variety of stellar influences than heretofore imagined.
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The words may be shows that he's only theorizing or speculating on these matters and what he says should be taken with a grain of salt as they say.
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| CyndiLoo |
| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| Thank you, CT! Point taken. It is very easy to get caught up in some of these things. |
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| Pendragon |
| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:43 am Post subject: |
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I think your doubts about this website are correct, it doesn't make much sense to me. If a change of the Earth orbit is to cause ups and downs in human civilization, than this can only be by means of a climate change. We allready know a good deal about our climate, and It's a fact that the earth has had periods of unusual warmth and cold in the past millennia. These may have had their influence on human life, in the form of bad harvests and diseases, but this doesn't explain nor coincide with some sort of 'cycle of cultures'.
Or he doesn't mean climate change, but then plain astrology would be the only thing left. |
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| CyndiLoo |
| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you, Pendragon. I agree. That was my first thought after reading the website information, astrology I mean. The Dark and Golden Ages are interesting to read about and certainly the possibility of a companion star for the sun is intriguing, but this information did seem a little out of line with both! |
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| Ophiolite |
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What seems to be lacking here, in what I can glean from the website, is any form of developed self criticism. You have to have an overactive ego to form a Binary Research Institute and apoint yourself Executive Director; establish a Conference on Precession and Ancient Knowledge , at which you are the principal speaker; found an award for research into your area of interest.
What Cruttenden seems to have done is to identify unanswered questions in the present overview of history and pre-history; postulate plausible, but wholly unsubstantiated answers to these questions.
This approach is exactly what leads to the true breakthroughs in science, in which new paradigms are defined. However, this only works when the original postulate is subject to rigorous, intense, almost violent probing by the author. This does not appear to be the case here. |
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| CyndiLoo |
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Hi Ophiolite! It is good to have you posting again. As usual you have given order and enlightenment to a sea of confusion! Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to post. Everyone agrees about this book. The title and the description I found to be very fascinating, but then as I read the description at the website I began to have doubts which is why I asked for everyone's thoughts. Again, thanks for taking the time.
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| Polestar101 |
| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:19 pm Post subject: Lost Star of Myth and Time |
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Hi CyndiLoo
Saw you had a question about “Lost Star of Myth and Time”. As the author, I can’t help but be biased, but the reviews (from those who have read it) are quite favorable. It is a book that raises a lot of questions about history and offers a hypothesis that, if proven true, should shed some light on ancient cultures and the course of civilization. Like Jarred Diamond’s “Guns, Germs and Steel”, I believe geography and environment affect the outcome of living creatures. But it is not just the micro environment of man on Earth that makes a difference – it is also the macro environment of the Earth in space that appears to have an influence over very long periods of time. This book is not about astrology (I don’t know a rising sign from a stop sign) but it does contain some astronomical theory, and some cutting-edge physiology science.
If you read it and do not enjoy it or find some plausibility to the issues raised I would be happy to refund your money. However, please do not avoid reading it because of a few comments from people that have not read it – science won’t get too far that way!
Thank you for your interest. And please let me know if I can answer any questions.
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| Ophiolite |
| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Lost Star of Myth and Time |
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| . However, please do not avoid reading it because of a few comments from people that have not read it – science won’t get too far that way! |
Thanks for dropping by Walter. As one of the people who hasn't read it but offered some negative comments allow me to ask two questions.
Science is not normally conducted throught the publication of books, but through the publication of peer reviewed papers. What peer reviewed papers have you published in relation to your hypothesis? (By the way thank you for calling it a hypothesis and not a theory. That is a major positive in my book [accidental pun])
Secondly, how do you respond to my accusation (a spade is a spade) that your ideas are lacking in self criticism? |
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| CyndiLoo |
| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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Ophiolite, I am very fond of you. Not only do you always stand your ground, but you give me a smile while doing it!
Mr. Cruttenden, May I ask is there a link to some of the reviews by people who have read this book?
Thank you both for taking the time to respond.
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| Polestar101 |
| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:56 am Post subject: Re: Lost Star of Myth and Time |
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| Ophiolite wrote: |
| Polestar101 wrote: |
| . However, please do not avoid reading it because of a few comments from people that have not read it – science won’t get too far that way! |
Thanks for dropping by Walter. As one of the people who hasn't read it but offered some negative comments allow me to ask two questions.
Science is not normally conducted throught the publication of books, but through the publication of peer reviewed papers. What peer reviewed papers have you published in relation to your hypothesis? (By the way thank you for calling it a hypothesis and not a theory. That is a major positive in my book [accidental pun])
Secondly, how do you respond to my accusation (a spade is a spade) that your ideas are lacking in self criticism? |
Ophiolite - In answer to your questions, I have only written two papers on geometric precession and neither has been published in a top journal. You can find them at New Frontiers or simply at the BRI website. It is my hope that once the Gravity Probe B final results are available we will have enough hard data to write a proper paper. And yes, while a few of the obvious issues have been addressed at BRI or on various forums, I am woefully lacking in self criticism. Nonetheless, the current theory of lunisolar precession has major problems that require some alternative explanation. For example, our analysis suggests the earth changes orientation by about 50"p/y relative to objects outside the solar system (SS) while only changing about 4"p/y when measured relative to objects inside the SS. Also, our analysis shows the precession rate is speeding up year over year. Current theory either ignores or inadequately addresses such problems. These issues, as well as the uneven distribution of angular momentum in the SS, virtually disappear if the majority of the precession observable (stars slowly moving across the sky) is attributed to the geometric effect of a SS in motion. Nonetheless, I accept the fact that extraordinary proof is required to support any new theory. |
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| Polestar101 |
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May I ask is there a link to some of the reviews by people who have read this book?
Thank you both for taking the time to respond.
Cyndi[/quote]
Most reviews are at www.Amazon.com or can be found via Google. |
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| leohopkins |
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Sounds like another book written by a complete crack pot, not disimilar to Erik Von Daineken or David Icke. 
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| Guest |
| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:13 am Post subject: |
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If you have not read it how can you say such a thing?
You do not even seem to know what it is about, other than 2/3rd hand accounts. |
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| Polestar101 |
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| leohopkins wrote: |
| Sounds like another book written by a complete crack pot, not disimilar to Erik Von Daineken or David Icke. |
Hi Leo - It is healthy to question alternative explanations of well established scientific theories but proposing an unconventional solution does not make me (or anyone) a crack pot. Unlike the two authors you mentioned my work has nothing to do with aliens or conspiracy theories. Those of us that work at BRI are trying to answer some questions related to precession anomalies that happen to have wide ranging implications. You may want to look at the Gravity Probe B project and keep our ideas about geometric precession in mind as the GPB results are released.
Cheers
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