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IPCC Scientists Challenge Al Gore’s View of Global Warming Consensus
Posted by Noel Sheppard on June 29, 2007 - 13:36.
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The chinks in the armor that is a supposed scientific consensus regarding man’s role in global warming continued to grow this week when it was identified that many of the folks involved in the most recent report from the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change were not in agreement with the study’s findings.
Didn't hear about this? Well, how could you? Nobody reported it!
In fact, what you also didn't hear or read due to the media's universal eschewing of this information was that many of the views expressed in the IPCC’s report go quite contrary to assertions regularly being made by the very press outlets not covering this new revelation and the Global Warmingist-in-Chief, soon-to-be-Dr. Al Gore. |
http://newsbusters.org/node/13833
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News Release: Al Gore Confronted by Own Scientists
Written By: Tom Swiss
Published In: Heartland Perspectives
Publication Date: June 29, 2007
Publisher: The Heartland Institute
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(Chicago IL - June 29, 2007) On June 28, in an historic move the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has released the expert review comments and responses to its latest assessment of the science of climate change. The IPCC report is the primary source of data for Al Gore's movie and book titled "An Inconvenient Truth."
Many of the comments by the reviewers are strongly critical of claims contained in the final report, and they are directly at odds with the so-called "scientific consensus" touted by Gore and others calling for immediate government action. |
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=21579
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: IPCC Scientists Challenge Al Gore’s View of Global Warmi |
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IPCC Scientists Challenge Al Gore’s View of Global Warming Consensus
Posted by Noel Sheppard on June 29, 2007 - 13:36.
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The chinks in the armor that is a supposed scientific consensus regarding man’s role in global warming continued to grow this week when it was identified that many of the folks involved in the most recent report from the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change were not in agreement with the study’s findings.
Didn't hear about this? Well, how could you? Nobody reported it!
In fact, what you also didn't hear or read due to the media's universal eschewing of this information was that many of the views expressed in the IPCC’s report go quite contrary to assertions regularly being made by the very press outlets not covering this new revelation and the Global Warmingist-in-Chief, soon-to-be-Dr. Al Gore. |
http://newsbusters.org/node/13833
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News Release: Al Gore Confronted by Own Scientists
Written By: Tom Swiss
Published In: Heartland Perspectives
Publication Date: June 29, 2007
Publisher: The Heartland Institute
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(Chicago IL - June 29, 2007) On June 28, in an historic move the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has released the expert review comments and responses to its latest assessment of the science of climate change. The IPCC report is the primary source of data for Al Gore's movie and book titled "An Inconvenient Truth."
Many of the comments by the reviewers are strongly critical of claims contained in the final report, and they are directly at odds with the so-called "scientific consensus" touted by Gore and others calling for immediate government action. |
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=21579 |
May I ask you why you think this is so important? Surely you realize that with any panel as large as the IPCC is that there will naturally be many who will not agree with the final conclusion reached by the majority.
Shucks, even a committee of only ten or twelve can't reach a unanimous decision on what should be served for dinner at their next meeting. 
Personally, I think this whole bit of "news" is just a thinly-veiled attempt to sling mud at Gore (and I'm NOT a Gore supporter in the least!) and others who think the issue of climate change is real. It's actually cheap, shoddy reporting in my book. |
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| May I ask you why you think this is so important? |
You may ask me anything you wish. It's an issue I have been active in for a while. I am a property rights activist.
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| think this whole bit of "news" is just a thinly-veiled attempt to sling mud at Gore (and I'm NOT a Gore supporter in the least!) and others who think the issue of climate change is real. |
That's a good assessment. It chips away at the whole consensus issue.
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| May I ask you why you think this is so important? |
You may ask me anything you wish. It's an issue I have been active in for a while. I am a property rights activist. |
I'd like to ask something  In your signature you state "It's not global warming, it's ice age abatement". I accept that the present temperature rise can possibly be ice age abatement, but how can you be sure about this? It's difficult to say with certainty that it's global warming, but isn't it even harder to say that it's ice age abatement?
I think that in uncertain circumstances we shouldnt take chances, and prepare for the worst. Very few people deny that it's possible to elevate the earth's temperatures by adding CO2 to the athmosphere, the main question is how much it affects us and whether the present temperature rise can be atributed to it. |
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LOL! It's a joke designed to illicit a response from the global warming religious fanatics. 
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| Very few people deny that it's possible to elevate the earth's temperatures by adding CO2 to the athmosphere, the main question is how much it affects us and whether the present temperature rise can be atributed to it. |
I agree. I'm all for conservation. My problem is with the people who use the environment to push fascism.
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| My problem is with the people who use the environment to push fascism. |
would you care to define the meaning of the word fascism in this sentence ? i assume it doesn't carry its original meaning since Mussolini was not known for having any strong views on climate change
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| would you care to define the meaning of the word fascism in this sentence ? |
The use of environmental issues to push state control over every aspect of life.
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| You may ask me anything you wish. It's an issue I have been active in for a while. I am a property rights activist. |
Thank you. And I happen to agree on the issue of property rights. Not just because I happen to own a fair amount of property but I strongly disagree with the idea of imminent domain being used to grab private land for commercial purposes.
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| think this whole bit of "news" is just a thinly-veiled attempt to sling mud at Gore (and I'm NOT a Gore supporter in the least!) and others who think the issue of climate change is real. |
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| That's a good assessment. It chips away at the whole consensus issue. |
The word "consensus" is abused and overworked. The usage of "majority" would be much more honest. It's not unusual at all to have a majority without even coming close to achieving a consensus. |
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| [would you care to define the meaning of the word fascism in this sentence ? i assume it doesn't carry its original meaning since Mussolini was not known for having any strong views on climate change |
However, it is worth noting that a google search reveals 81,010 hits for the combination Mussolini AND climate change  |
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| However, it is worth noting that a google search reveals 81,010 hits for the combination Mussolini AND climate change |
a quick scan reveals that this combination typically comes from global warming sceptics who like to compare opponents with those paragons of 20th century virtue such stalin, hitler and M
typical example from Environmentalism's Tainted Roots from Fascism, Environmentalism, and the Third Way :
Environmentalism, as we know it today, has its roots (for the most part) in 19th century Prussia, where an assortment of deep-thinkers most influenced the advance of both socialism and fascism. Among many other persons, this group included fellows like Marx, Fichte, Sombart, Lagarde, Hegel, Langbehn, List, Schmoller, Feuerbach, Nietzche, and von Treitschke - the Dead White European Males who established the intellectual foundations for every belief held so dear by today's left. Whatever social injustice today's leftist detects, these guys detected first. Whatever solutions to social injustice today's leftist demands, these guys demanded first. And for all their intellectual brilliance, the theories generated by these 19th century geniuses in practice gave to us in the 20th century: Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, and Mussolini.
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| would you care to define the meaning of the word fascism in this sentence ? |
The use of environmental issues to push state control over every aspect of life. |
Economically, fascism traditionally favored the rights of big corporations over the rights of the individuals. I guess you choose to overlook that part so you can misuse a loaded term.
The original links used a revision discussion to imply that not everyone agreed. Indeed that is what revision discussion is for. One has to wonder why someone would try to use such an integral part of the consensus process to discredit a consensus…The Heartland Institute is notorious for such misrepresentation of facts.
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Economically, fascism traditionally favored the rights of big corporations over the rights of the individuals. I guess you choose to overlook that part so you can misuse a loaded term. |
No, didn't overlook a thing. The environmental movement is favoring big corporations/big foundations over indivigual rights at the expense of the environment.
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do i detect a personal grudge ?
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| do i detect a personal grudge ? |
Not a personal grudge. Only ideological.
I’ll let scapg02’s last statement stand on its on. 
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