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 Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:31 am Post subject: Global Warming-Forget everything you know |
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We all know what it is, why it's caused and what the implications of it are, but recent research of old recorded accounts of varying shifts in the Earth's magnet feild present a new idea. Around 300 years ago every night British Navy personnel recoreded North and true North and now after analysing those centuries ago to todays North and true North, there is a off degree of 2, just 2 degrees you say? Well, around 700,000 years ago the Earth's magnetic field inverted ovre a period of time causing fluctuations in the field which will happen again, and is beleived to have started already due to those changes in the field. It is known by myself that it does fluctuate naturally anyway, but only by 0.5 degrees give or take. So if the field gets weaker due the the inversion then the Earth will be unable to be protected as much from the Suns ions and UV EM radiation, causing the planet to get hotter naturally anyway so why bother with the CO2, human contribution to it is only less than 5%, so our contribution doesn't matter in the long term, we should stop focusing on trying to stop it and focus on how to combat future problems due to it-we cannot stop it, it is inevitable.
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| marnixR |
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:35 am Post subject: |
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i'm not sure how long it takes for a magnetic field to reverse itself but i doubt whether is instantaneous
in comparison, CO2 increases at lightning speed
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| Ophiolite |
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| Field reversal takes in the close order of a couple of thousand years. We are quite possibly in the initial stages of such a reversal right now. |
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| jackson33 |
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its said that reversal 700k years ago took about 4500 years to complete.
the sun reverses its magnetic field, every 11 years which happens to coincide with sun spot activity. |
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| Cat1981(England) |
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Dosen't the earth magnetic field protect us from ion's and not from em-radiation ?
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| Jeremyhfht |
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It's not called "Global Warming" anymore for a reason. The new name is "Climate Change". Mainly because we're also setting Cold Temperature Records (see: Every day Al Gore speaks, there is a new "coldest day on record". Poor Gore). Weather is not getting warmer, it's getting increasingly extreme.
And not, by the way, due to CO2. Has anybody taken an interest as to why Mars is also "warming" and exhibiting increasing extreme weather like the earth? Oh, I don't know, maybe the sun plays a role? Y'know, those crazy suggestions that only crazies suggest with their crazy ideas that the sun can control things. Crazy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change
Still, pollution in general should be a major concern. Contrariwise, CO2 should not be the only focus. There are many other types of pollution, and we are conveniently ignoring them to "save the environment". I think our lungs need more saving than the CO2-eating-tree environment.
Contrariwise, I'd also suggest we pull our fat lips off CO2's ass, and try and focus on the depleting amount of fish, oil, wood, and every other natural resource known to man.
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| Jeremyhfht wrote: |
| ... and try and focus on the depleting amount of fish, oil, wood, and every other natural resource known to man. |
in short let's concentrate on how population growth will affect our quality of life in the near future
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| Cat1981(England) |
| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| It's not called "Global Warming" anymore for a reason. The new name is "Climate Change". Mainly because we're also setting Cold Temperature Records (see: Every day Al Gore speaks, there is a new "coldest day on record". Poor Gore). Weather is not getting warmer, it's getting increasingly extreme. |
You can call it Bollock Brain Ice Cream if you like, it doest make much difference. Extreme weather is one of the things that is/was expected to happen with an increase in global temperatures.
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| Has anybody taken an interest as to why Mars is also "warming" and exhibiting increasing extreme weather like the earth? |
Yes and from what i have been reading the warming on mars has only been seen in the southern hemisphere over the last 3/4 years. Overall (although there is still some debate) mars is cooler now then it was in the 70's. So what evidence is there that the sun is responsible for the recent rise in the earth temperatures ? Or is this post any theory we can think of day and declare it the real reason for GW.
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On a side note this Al Gore must have had sex with under aged girls, murdered old aged pensioners or something, as everybody in the US seems to hate his gut's.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Cat1981(England) wrote: |
| On a side note this Al Gore must have had sex with under aged girls, murdered old aged pensioners or something, as everybody in the US seems to hate his gut's. |
no, it's just that he's a sanctimonious prick who bores the pants of other people - it's not because i agree that global warming or climate change or extreme weather is a reality that i want him to be my cheerleader
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| Jeremyhfht |
| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Cat1981(England) wrote: |
You can call it Bollock Brain Ice Cream if you like, it doest make much difference. Extreme weather is one of the things that is/was expected to happen with an increase in global temperatures. |
Yes, but "Global Warming" isn't properly descriptive.
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Yes and from what i have been reading the warming on mars has only been seen in the southern hemisphere over the last 3/4 years. Overall (although there is still some debate) mars is cooler now then it was in the 70's. |
At least you admit to "some debate". Links.
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So what evidence is there that the sun is responsible for the recent rise in the earth temperatures ? Or is this post any theory we can think of day and declare it the real reason for GW.
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Sun spots. Care to check current solar activity?
http://roguepundit.typepad.com/roguepundit/2004/10/global_warming__1.html
(uncertain about the credibility, but that'll do)
http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7y.html
http://www.unisci.com/stories/20022/0613022.htm
Also, think "The last ice age". That wasn't caused by pollution.
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| marnixR |
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| Jeremyhfht wrote: |
| Yes, but "Global Warming" isn't properly descriptive. |
i'd say most people understand what you're on about when you use the term 'global warming' and would understand the interchangeability with climate change
a bit like insisting you should always use the term 'plate tectonics' instead of continental drift - technically correct, but for everyday usage, who cares ?
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| Jeremyhfht |
| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| marnixR wrote: |
| Jeremyhfht wrote: |
| Yes, but "Global Warming" isn't properly descriptive. |
i'd say most people understand what you're on about when you use the term 'global warming' and would understand the interchangeability with climate change |
I assure you they don't. Global Warming is just that, warming. It's quite obvious the planet is exhibiting extreme weather in general. Not excluded to warming.
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a bit like insisting you should always use the term 'plate tectonics' instead of continental drift - technically correct, but for everyday usage, who cares ? |
...okay, now it's ridiculous. Continental Drift describes an action due to Plate Tectonic movement. They are not interchangeable terms.
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no, continental drift was the old term for plate tectonics - it was dropped because it seemed to imply that continents moved by ploughing through ocean crust, which more recent understanding proved not to be the case + following the realisation that all parts of the crust move, not just continents
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...okay, lets try this way.
Continental drift: Old theory, but the words still mean something. It means the continents "drift". Simple.
Plate Tectonics: This is the theory. Unlike Continental drift, it doesn't inherently mean something as coherent. It's a title for the present theory (and objects in said theory).
Continental drift can both be used to describe the old theory, or (in modern usage) describe the fact that continents "drift". Am I clear?
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i understood you the first time - language being what it is, it often tends to run roughshod over technical niceties, hence continental drift and plate tectonics are often treated as interchangeable in the vernacular, and so are global warming and climate change
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