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| Mike C |
 Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:59 am Post subject: Evils of Capitalism |
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The Evils of Capitalism
Capitalism is just as evil as some religions. These are 'self serving' individuals that are responsible for the following:
They pollute the air and waters to create health problems.
They are destructive to the Natural environments and forests
They corrupt governments with their use of influence dollars.
They lower the workers to the status of robots and a commodity.
They have no manners or morals because they will use child factories, slave labor and do business with dictators or communists.
They are 'tax rebels' and evaders of taxes whenever they can.
Even though they have huge unneeded surplus incomes, they will resort to dishonest bookkeeping, insider trading, manipulate stock prices if they can through various schemes, use company funds for personal use and any other such illegal tactics.
They believe in maximizing profits to use those dollars to buy out the competitors, create mergers, downsizing the labor force to burden the rest of the workers and buy up the news outlets to censor any critics of their tactics. All these schemes cut jobs.
They are unconstitutional because they are ‘self serving’ and only represent themselves. The kings, emperors, dictators, religious leaders, con artists, street criminals and any other such individuals do exactly the same things of serving themselves. They are the predators amongst humanity.
An example of their greed is the 'new world order' that they have bribed governments to serve their needs. This organization can now demand unrestricted access to any member nations markets without restrictions or be taken to the 'world court' and fined for these marketing restrictions.
Of course there are exceptions to the above. There are some good honest capitalists that treat the workers with the respect that they deserve. But these individuals are rare in our society.
Only the workers create the REAL TANGIBLE WEALTH (RTW) that all persons buy and make use of like the houses, automobiles, clothing, food and any other such needs.
They also create the capitalist goodies like skyscrapers, mansions, buildings for business and their personal serving staffs.
The workers also build the government sponsored bridges, roads, hydroelectric dams, and staff the police departments, fire departments, water and sewage maintenance and any other such services.
Since the workers create all this RTW, they deserve better and the higher wages would be good for the economy because then these workers can buy the goods they create and this increased MASS PURCHASING POWER (MPP) would only create more demand and jobs.
My opinion is that the gross receipts should be apportioned equally between the blue collar workers and the white collar workers.
This equal distribution would increase the MPP of the nation to promote a thriving economy.
Unions that represent the workers are compatible with the US Constitutional mandate for representation of its citizens while on the other hand, capitalism is not a representative of the citizens.
What I say above is NOT an endorsement of communism that I consider to be more evil than capitalism.
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| Harold14370 |
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| Kolt |
| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:47 am Post subject: Re: Evils of Capitalism |
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| Mike C wrote: |
The Evils of Capitalism
Capitalism is just as evil as some religions. These are 'self serving' individuals that are responsible for the following:
They pollute the air and waters to create health problems.
They are destructive to the Natural environments and forests
They corrupt governments with their use of influence dollars.
They lower the workers to the status of robots and a commodity.
They have no manners or morals because they will use child factories, slave labor and do business with dictators or communists.
They are 'tax rebels' and evaders of taxes whenever they can.
Even though they have huge unneeded surplus incomes, they will resort to dishonest bookkeeping, insider trading, manipulate stock prices if they can through various schemes, use company funds for personal use and any other such illegal tactics.
They believe in maximizing profits to use those dollars to buy out the competitors, create mergers, downsizing the labor force to burden the rest of the workers and buy up the news outlets to censor any critics of their tactics. All these schemes cut jobs.
They are unconstitutional because they are ‘self serving’ and only represent themselves. The kings, emperors, dictators, religious leaders, con artists, street criminals and any other such individuals do exactly the same things of serving themselves. They are the predators amongst humanity.
An example of their greed is the 'new world order' that they have bribed governments to serve their needs. This organization can now demand unrestricted access to any member nations markets without restrictions or be taken to the 'world court' and fined for these marketing restrictions.
Of course there are exceptions to the above. There are some good honest capitalists that treat the workers with the respect that they deserve. But these individuals are rare in our society.
Only the workers create the REAL TANGIBLE WEALTH (RTW) that all persons buy and make use of like the houses, automobiles, clothing, food and any other such needs.
They also create the capitalist goodies like skyscrapers, mansions, buildings for business and their personal serving staffs.
The workers also build the government sponsored bridges, roads, hydroelectric dams, and staff the police departments, fire departments, water and sewage maintenance and any other such services.
Since the workers create all this RTW, they deserve better and the higher wages would be good for the economy because then these workers can buy the goods they create and this increased MASS PURCHASING POWER (MPP) would only create more demand and jobs.
My opinion is that the gross receipts should be apportioned equally between the blue collar workers and the white collar workers.
This equal distribution would increase the MPP of the nation to promote a thriving economy.
Unions that represent the workers are compatible with the US Constitutional mandate for representation of its citizens while on the other hand, capitalism is not a representative of the citizens.
Mike C |
What you have described here is not a Capitalist but an Asshole
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| Neutrino |
| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| Kinda what Kolt said. Almost none (if any at all) of what you complained about are inherent properties of capitalism. |
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| Ophiolite |
| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:56 am Post subject: Re: Evils of Capitalism |
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| Mike C wrote: |
These are 'self serving' individuals that are responsible for the following:
They pollute the air and waters to create health problems.
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They offer goods and services that we freely choose to use for our comfort and pleasure that pollute the air and waters, etc. Guilty party - us, not the capitalist.
| Mike C wrote: |
| They are destructive to the Natural environments and forests |
As above.
| Mike C wrote: |
They have no manners or morals because they will use child factories, slave labor and do business with dictators or communists.
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Now you are being silly. What's wrong with doing buisiness with dictators. Arguably the greatest success story of national development is the city state of Singapore which achieved this via the dictatorship of Lee Kuan Yew.
And what is to prevent someone who uses child labour from being well mannered? And what possible relevance do their manners have to such a serious issue?
etc, etc
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| Mike C |
| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| Now you've done it. Bill Gates is going to send a professional hacker after you for sure. |
Well he has been after me for about 'two' years.
Mind you, I DO NOT hate capitalism. Just the great IMBALANCES in the sharing of wealth that the workers (hands) produce.
Believe it or not but when I turned on the computer yesterday, I noticed that 'My Documents' have been invaded when I tried to access my saved folders on the Evils Of Capitalism. They were 'blanked' out. No text.
All the other documents were OK.
Wow, this is selective proof as to who is responsible for my hackers.
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| Mike C |
| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Ophi
I will agree that their are some benefits from capitalism.
My complaint is the large IMBALANES in the sharing of wealth produced by the workers.
By sharing the wealth to pay workers higher wages actually benefits the economy because it increases the 'mass purchasing power' of the majority to boost the economic well being of the majority.
Cheap wages cannot buy the automobiles and houses that we all want and need.
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| Harold14370 |
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| Mike C wrote: |
| Harold14370 wrote: |
| Now you've done it. Bill Gates is going to send a professional hacker after you for sure. |
Well he has been after me for about 'two' years.
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Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean somebody isn't out to get you.  I recommend a double thickness of tin foil. |
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| Cosmo |
| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: |
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To All
Because I was so critical of some religions, capitalists and science(?), my computer was ASSASSINATED that forced me off the internet.
I can now continue again my 'free speech' mandate that the US Constitution gives me.
What I write is 'Truth' as I see it and I am certain that it is right and good for humanity.
Power science (inquisitions), communism (Stalins agribussiness), capitalism without controls (current spread between workers wages and capitals unearned incoms has inflated from abour 40% to todays spread of 500%) and population explosions (Islams copy of the bibles chauvinism and the other religious factions) that are destroying GODS Nature and are not beneficial to humanities lifestyles.
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| jackson33 |
| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:48 am Post subject: |
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Cosmo; I follow your science post with some amazement. Since your nearly 90yo, continue to study and voice/write your opinions, it is an inspiration to this younger, but old person.
We do disagree on most social issues, Capitalism just one. Since you have used a post slamming capitalist with what seems to be a deliberate lie, I have to call you on it. You have not been off the Internet and in fact quite active since dropping off this site 10/5/07, with out missing many days you have posted nearly daily from 9/6 to today, ELSEWHERE...
The US system of government, allowing public ownership of all business, whether by stocks or independent ownership, gives every person regardless of anything else, the right to work hard, play by the rules and achieve what their abilities can achieve. OPPORTUNITY...
No Corporation, started off as the entity you perceive the villain of society nor are the vast majority today or such during their growth. Ford, GM, especially Wal Mart and every company was a dream or idea of a single person, with that opportunity. They have hired and paid through time, hundreds of thousands to millions, many offering benefits which have killed them or reduced their ability to compete. In the US, all what is seen as the highest living standards on Earth today can be attributed to these ventures. As they expand into the world economy. the same is happening around the world.
As for the Global Warming inference, you have been around long enough to see where industry has come from. In the early 20th Century, sure there were signs of environmental destruction. Smoke stacks pumped black smoke, as did trucks, cars and train locomotives. People, threw trash everywhere and every body burned their own trash. Long before EPA, Green Piece, Al Gore or any thing to dictate what to do, they and we started to clean up our act. In reality, were probably no further along than if these groups never existed. No body wants to breath bad air, drink contaminated water, drive along a littered highway or fish in a polluted stream. |
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| Ophiolite |
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| jackson33 wrote: |
You have not been off the Internet and in fact quite active since dropping off this site 10/5/07, with out missing many days you have posted nearly daily from 9/6 to today, ELSEWHERE...
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I was amused to note Jackson, that your post count when this particular item of arcane knowledge was posted, was 666.
Is there something you should be telling us? 
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| jackson33 |
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Actually I did notice 666, after posting...which hit pretty hard on a friend...
Mike, knows exactly where that info comes from, explained in my first paragraph...."I follow your science post".
Kind of funny though, when a number pops up unexpected like this, Power Ball Lottery will include that number. Will advise if 6's play in Wednesdays 150+ million drawing...and no I don't play. |
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| Cosmo |
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| Jackson wrote: |
Cosmo; I follow your science post with some amazement. Since your nearly 90yo, continue to study and voice/write your opinions, it is an inspiration to this younger, but old person.
We do disagree on most social issues, Capitalism just one. Since you have used a post slamming capitalist with what seems to be a deliberate lie, I have to call you on it. You have not been off the Internet and in fact quite active since dropping off this site 10/5/07, with out missing many days you have posted nearly daily from 9/6 to today, ELSEWHERE...
The US system of government, allowing public ownership of all business, whether by stocks or independent ownership, gives every person regardless of anything else, the right to work hard, play by the rules and achieve what their abilities can achieve. OPPORTUNITY... |
I attribute my age and good health to my reverence for Nature and what it teaches me.
I believe in evolution and that we are 'evolved apes'.
That means that I do not accept the bible as a religion because it promotes 'chauvinism' and the 'self' serving mentality that promotes greed.
That does NOT mean that I refute the small businesses or individual enterprize such as inventors, copywritists and etc.
However, current capitalism reminds me of the days when our government went after the La Cosa Nostra rackerteers to remove them from ownership of the 'casinos' because of their 'skimming' of excess wealth.
Our major businesses in the US have no controls of how much wealth they can 'skim' off our economy. Result? Billionaires multiplying by the hundreds while workers wages are 'shrinking' to the barest subsistance levels.
To get back to my age and health, I am a Vegan (no animal products) that is a total vegetarian. So there is NO blockages of my arteries by the animal cholesterol fats that the body rejects because it makes its 'own' cholesterol.
My blood pressure is 110/70 that is perfect and indicates that my arteries are 'clean'. So my brain is nourished as are all other body parts.
Do not buy this argument that we need meat in our diet.
The largest animals on land are Vegans such as the elephant, rhinoseros and down to many smaller creatures
By revering Nature as GOD, it teaches me that there are multiple Gods and opens up your knowledge base to see other ideas and concepts rather than the biblical teachings of just 'one' god that limits your mentality to just one dimension.
All the material goodies that we enjoy are the products of HANDS, not the brains of capitalism, that create nothing but ideas and greed.
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| jackson33 |
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As I recall, your health/diet attitudes changed at an older age, think in your 60's, also about the time you took on new interest. I have noted, most people that achieve 80 and up, a common denominator of interest or activity. Also I should mention when these interest fade, most I have known, soon passed. A good example would be spouses, when one or the other passes after 30-60years of marriage, often the other soon passes. In short I would rather folks getting up in age, keep interest in alive, even increasing them to their limits. This idea keeps the mind working, allowing other brain function (maintaining the body). This is not far from your theory, since the change in diet mentally has given you cause for longevity. Your blood pressure, indicates a very low salt diet as well, is this correct???
Its of no importance to this discussion, but each species has developed its digestive system, independent of others. I can't visualize an Elephant or a Rhino chasing down dinner and to the vultures a ready made meal was/is always available. The human developed eating both plant and animals, but cannot digest grass. Do you take vitamins to compensate, which I understand is vital....
Free market capitalism, has some problems while a new idea comes to life. Any monopoly of a wanted item, will produce larger profits. Sooner or later however some one will produce an equal or better product and unless the original producer has advanced the original idea or created new products with those profits, that business will fail. That is supply and demand, competition and public acceptance of a product, keep skimming or profits in check. This is particularly true with the often hated larger product oriented corporations. Oil Companies in the best of time realize a 10% or less profit on investment, Wal Mart, most grocery chains, drug stores and so on are well under 10%.
Created wealth, is often mentioned with Capitalism. Whats rarely mentioned are the thousands of people, who have tried to advance an idea or business plan and failed. Think there were originally 40-50 different makers of automobiles over the years. Most failed. I could list hundreds of retail operations and 9 of 10 food service business have or will fail, with in two years. Success, for need, has to be rewarded. Those that do succeed or the parties who invest in those ventures, have attained wealth, to the degree of there times. Today, that means billions, opposed to millions in the 50's-70's and near a million in the teens. If nothing else, remember, those ventures in the teens catered to very few people, compared to the 150 million in the 50's or the 300 US people today and the added billions with world trade today. |
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