| Is DNA the absolute nature determanate? |
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| there are probably other factors |
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| I don't even think it is a factor this forum is stupid |
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| NO here is why |
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| What is DNA |
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| Kenny Klassen |
 Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: DNA is it all that determines what makes us different |
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please do not repeat the 100 jokes that are sure to come from that statement but I mean other nurture is DNA the only thing that makes me any different from the rest of you and you from each other I don't quite buy it as an absolute but more on this later when I am actually arguing because to be quite frank this is getting quite long I know i haven`t actually given a reason but I did start this poll so you should doubt I belive it a start this topic to get some good reasons for it
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| free radical |
| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| Identical twins are different to one another. |
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| Ophiolite |
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| free radical wrote: |
| Identical twins are different to one another. |
Even truer: identical twins are different from each other. 
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| NeptuneCircle |
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Stimulus - a.k.a are environment has an important roles of which genes get transcribed, creates different cell responses, and also creates new enzymes. Every person recieves different stimulus because every person has a different envrionment
Also chaos theory (aka the butterfly effect) is an important factor in determing who we are. Remember, even identical twins have different fingerprints. |
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| Kenny Klassen |
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Hey you stole some of my points and before someone says anything the hormones and proteins made by DNA and the food you eat etc.. is nurture in case it is not obvious this is not one of my points
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In the study of life in todays socity there are sevral truth we must face the folowing are the ones I have manged to come to terms with:
1. You will probably end up doing something related to Cancer, Aids, or some other dieases that incovinces the genral public
2. In order to make money you either will be doing the afore mentioned research because that is where all the free grant money is, working for a company, or having to teach people some of whom really should not be there
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| spuriousmonkey |
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| Ophiolite wrote: |
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| Identical twins are different to one another. |
Even truer: identical twins are different from each other. |
And they would be even more different from each other, if they hadn't shared the same womb.
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| Kenny Klassen |
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| And they would be even more different from each other, if they hadn't shared the same womb |
Yes Proably but half of a split egg and sperm might be hard to remove and it doesn't get a whole lot easier than that later
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In the study of life in todays socity there are sevral truth we must face the folowing are the ones I have manged to come to terms with:
1. You will probably end up doing something related to Cancer, Aids, or some other dieases that incovinces the genral public
2. In order to make money you either will be doing the afore mentioned research because that is where all the free grant money is, working for a company, or having to teach people some of whom really should not be there
3. You cannot take up reserach biologist as a hobby inless you have another substancial form of income |
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| free radical |
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| Ophiolite wrote: |
| free radical wrote: |
| Identical twins are different to one another. |
Even truer: identical twins are different from each other. |
Given the torturous nature of grammar and spelling within the opening post my phrasing may in fact be better understood to Mr. Klassen. |
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| paralith |
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I have to admit I really have trouble understanding the OP. But no, though DNA variation obviously contributes to the variation that exists between individual humans, it is most certainly not the ONLY thing that determines it. Is that what you're asking?
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| Kenny Klassen |
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| paralith wrote: |
| I have to admit I really have trouble understanding the OP. But no, though DNA variation obviously contributes to the variation that exists between individual humans, it is most certainly not the ONLY thing that determines it. Is that what you're asking? |
Yes the option that says it has nothing to do with it is there more as joke as well as the what is DNA I just thought I would cover all bases insidentally I agree with you opinion
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2. In order to make money you either will be doing the afore mentioned research because that is where all the free grant money is, working for a company, or having to teach people some of whom really should not be there
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| paralith |
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| Kenny Klassen wrote: |
| insidentally I agree with you opinion |
It's not an opinion. It's an observable fact that both genes and the environment contribute to the phenotype of a human.
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| Lynx_Fox |
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| DNA certainly sets the conditions and potential propensity for desease, but there's a lot of other things that make us individuals ranging from prenatal conditions in the womb, nutrition, learning, accidents etc. |
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| KALSTER |
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| please do not repeat the 100 jokes that are sure to come from that statement but I mean other nurture is DNA the only thing that makes me any different from the rest of you and you from each other I don't quite buy it as an absolute but more on this later when I am actually arguing because to be quite frank this is getting quite long I know i haven`t actually given a reason but I did start this poll so you should doubt I belive it a start this topic to get some good reasons for it |
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Yes, as others have said, the environment plays a big part in your development and how your body copes with everything thrown at it. A classic example is the images of twins where one is a smoker and (if I remember correctly) a drinker and drug abuser. The abuser looked 15 years older.
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| Kenny Klassen |
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I said try to avoid envromental conditons has anyone else seen that everyone says its the only factor and all but two have said here is why I just find that it interesting that no one has said its an absoulte like the fairly convintional opinion I know there's no certainty in this universe but I am sure some one most think that DNA is the only natural factor in what we are not including are intake
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In the study of life in todays socity there are sevral truth we must face the folowing are the ones I have manged to come to terms with:
1. You will probably end up doing something related to Cancer, Aids, or some other dieases that incovinces the genral public
2. In order to make money you either will be doing the afore mentioned research because that is where all the free grant money is, working for a company, or having to teach people some of whom really should not be there
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| Pendragon |
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Question: how much influence do conditions in the womb have on child development?
I heard about heroin addicted mothers giving birth to addicted children, and maybe alcohol use and smoking also have effects. But what if you compare normal, healthy mothers? Would there still be big differences? Maybe related to the diet of the mother, or differences in hormone levels?
Kenny: other people already hinted at it, but please use interpunction ("." ","). It really makes it easier to read your posts. |
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