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| Raymond K |
 Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: Complexity of God |
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Isn't it possible that us humans just think of God in our concept of existance, and God can perhaps be more complex than we could ever comprehend?
Evolution for instance, most relegious persons say that evolution is wrong because God had created us all. Think about this, mabye evolution was just a TOOL for God TO CREATE US with.
How can something that created existance exist itself? I believe God is way more complex than any human could possibly understand. |
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| Cold Fusion |
| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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We are all complete morons. Our level of comprehension is nothing compared to what is required to understand the universe. If there is a god, which is highly highly unlikely, and 100% impossible to be anything like we have every described, it would be beyond all cognitive abilities that we possess or will ever possess.
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| punarmusiko |
| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:40 am Post subject: Re: Complexity of God |
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| Raymond K wrote: |
Isn't it possible that us humans just think of God in our concept of existance, and God can perhaps be more complex than we could ever comprehend?
Evolution for instance, most relegious persons say that evolution is wrong because God had created us all. Think about this, mabye evolution was just a TOOL for God TO CREATE US with.
How can something that created existance exist itself? I believe God is way more complex than any human could possibly understand. |
an easier introduction to comprehension is that god is eternal and existence is a contingent potency of his.
Kind of like if you had an eternal fire, the potencies of fire (eg smoke, heat, light) would also be eternal. Saying that god cannot exist because he created existence seems to overide parameters of logic ... although I would agree that comprehending god in full is constitutionally impossible for us (which doesn't mean that the nature of god's existence cannot be indicated at all) |
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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Yeah, but that complexicity can only exist if God exists.
Thats the atheist argument for you right there.
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| Obviously |
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Through gradual understanding of the world, everything is ultimately doomed, if you will, to be understood. Many things before were considered incomprihensible but are well understood these days. Things can only move forwards, that includes our understanding/comprehension of the world. Unless a big meteor hits earth and destroys all life or our solar system gets hit by a gamma-ray burst 
God will in my opinion always remain a god of the gaps. That's the only reason why he's "beyond" our comprehension.
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What makes the christian idea of God 'the true God' or the God's of other of todays religions the true God as opposed to the Gods of yesteryear such as the Roman God's or the Greek God's or Ra or other Egyptian Gods?
Humans have always tried to explain the unknown through supernatural Gods when all we need to do is search for the meaning of existence through scientific study and, if there is a God, he will be revealed to us.
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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No. He will reveal Himself to us.
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| punarmusiko |
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| Obviously wrote: |
Through gradual understanding of the world, everything is ultimately doomed, if you will, to be understood. Many things before were considered incomprihensible but are well understood these days. Things can only move forwards, that includes our understanding/comprehension of the world. Unless a big meteor hits earth and destroys all life or our solar system gets hit by a gamma-ray burst
God will in my opinion always remain a god of the gaps. That's the only reason why he's "beyond" our comprehension. |
actually empiricism has no scope to understand anything in full.
It will always remain a "science of the gaps" since it can only hope to examine a metonymic slice between the macro and the micro.
Empiricism can not even reveal the extent of a single cup of flour, what to speak of life, the universe, etc etc |
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| No. He will reveal Himself to us. |
There are different beloiefs when it comes to God. Some believe that He is all seeing and he guides our lives and such. Others believe He merely made us then let us be. My personal belief is that there are certain things within this universe that we can't comprehend and, through scientific queries and answers we'll discover more as time goes on. The religious fanatics who believe that their way is right will continue to change their beliefs to support the new found data while the scientific community continues to expand the knowledge we have of our surroundings. Will we find some sort of higher power? I don't know, it's possible. As stated before there are certain things in this universe that, at this time, we are incapable of comprehending.
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My thought exactly. The only part I would like to change is the statement 'we can't comprehend' which I would say 'we have not been able to comprehend yet', to differentiate the 'not yet known' from 'unknowable'.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:54 am Post subject: Re: Complexity of God |
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| Raymond K wrote: |
| Isn't it possible that us humans just think of God in our concept of existance, and God can perhaps be more complex than we could ever comprehend? |
Theists contrive arguments for the existence of their gods. No indications are present in nature to suggest these gods exist. Nature itself does not appear to be driven by gods in any way, on the contrary, appears to be function despite any influence of a supernatural nature.
So, if there isn't anything in nature to suggest the existence of gods, and that nature doesn't need gods to explain itself, then we can simply ignore to comprehend the complexity of that which doesn't affect nature in the least.
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| Evolution for instance, most relegious persons say that evolution is wrong because God had created us all. Think about this, mabye evolution was just a TOOL for God TO CREATE US with. |
Evolution doesn't require kick starts from god, evolution will function despite gods.
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| How can something that created existance exist itself? I believe God is way more complex than any human could possibly understand. |
Then, there's no sense in attempting to do so, why bother?
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Yeah, but that complexicity can only exist if God exists.
Thats the atheist argument for you right there. |
The "atheist argument" is one from inquiry. The atheist questions the theists claims for gods existence. The theist has no answers, only claims.
So, demonstrate your god exists or go home. To claim that your god is too complex to understand is simply another contrived fairy tale to satisfy self-adulations of intellect.
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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Funk off you obnoxious wankstein. I didn't say He was complex or not. Nor do I wish to prove Him, my earlier post clearly states that beleif.
Love the avartar by the way  .
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| I didn't say He was complex or not. Nor do I wish to prove Him, my earlier post clearly states that beleif. |
Then, tell your fucking cult to start paying taxes if you can't demonstrate your beliefs.
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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I do pay my taxes. They don't bother me not paying them, thats your problem to get them to do it. I leave them to their lives remember?
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