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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:55 pm    Post subject: Breakfast like a King??? Reply with quote

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The world we live in is filled with urban myths, and often it is hard to know what to believe.

For example : a major urban myth about health was the old one about drinking 8 glasses of water a day for health. We now know that is nonsense, and we only need to drink enough to slake our thirst.

However, there is an old saw I want to ask about. We have been told repeatedly that breakfast is the most important meal of the day. Or we must 'Breakfast like a king!'

However, many cultures habitually consume light breakfasts, or none at all. The French, for example, seem pretty healthy as a bunch, and eat light breakfasts.

Does anyone have any better evidence? That is : objective, empirically derived data on the topic?? Proper clinical trials or long term epidemiological studies???
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This might be relevant:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/meal-frequency-and-energy-balance-research-review.html

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They concluded that earlier studies finding an effect of meal frequency on weight gain (or loss) had more to do with changes in appetite or food intake, not from a direct impact on metabolic rate. For example, early observational studies found that people who skipped breakfast were heavier and this still resonates today with the idea that skipping breakfast makes you fatter. However, the review points out that this may be confusing cause and effect: people often start skipping meals to lose weight.
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think it matters how much you eat in regards of why we should eat break fast. I think its just to get your metabolism going. Its kinda like letting your engine warm up on cold mornings. What matters isn't how much gas you put in it just matters that you do it.
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't know about that. Personally I like heavy meals in the afternoon, instead of the evening. Of course in the evening, generally, you have more time for your digestive system to digest, but then, most people experience a dip after lunch time anyway, related to digesting (More accidents happen during this time). But of course a strategy of eating evening meals at noon is best carried out when you work at home or anything alike, like farmers.
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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@3 By heavy meals I mean a lot of meat and potatoes, or somthing alike. Meals like this certainly give me an energy boost, while sandwiches and stuff, even with eggs pale in comparison. My personal experience would certainly place heavier meals earlier in the day, but of course that is not a scientific observation.
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Since my childhood days I very rarely missed breakfast, it nearly always consists of a fry up. I am not over weight, but I might add that I am very active. So I urge everyone, the next time that you go to Mc Donalds " Go Large " you know it makes sense. Smile
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Another myth is that you should eat several times per days or fewer times per day to either:

1) Gain weight
2) Lose weight

While the truth is the ONLY thing that matters is your total calorie inntake over a day.

If you eat 5000 calories in one meal only or 5000 calories divided on 6 meals it will have the same result.
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Raziell wrote:
While the truth is the ONLY thing that matters is your total calorie inntake over a day.

If you eat 5000 calories in one meal only or 5000 calories divided on 6 meals it will have the same result.

I tend to disagree with this. Do you have a reference or something I could explore further to learn more? My sense is that timing of meals is hugely important as it will signal to the body whether or not food resources are scarce or abundant, and will trigger systems which will convert a higher percentage of that food to fat during those times when scarcity is sensed.

If you have information or a reference suggesting otherwise, kindly please share it here so I can review it to correct my (potential) misunderstanding.
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How about this one?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985?ordinalpos=&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.SmartSearch&log$=citationsensor
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Harold14370 wrote:
How about this one?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985?ordinalpos=&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.SmartSearch&log$=citationsensor

While I'd like to see one with a larger sample, that is a perfect response to my request. Thanks, Harold. I guess my thinking about scarcity and abundance applies only to overall available food energy, not when/how that energy is consumed within a given day.

Thanks to both of you for teaching me something new/correcting a misconception.
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Was about to find one but Harold saved the day Smile

I can say though that eating all the calories for a single day in one meal is NOT reccomendable. Having started bodybuilding i thought 1 meal a day was gonna be a great idea but that you painfully have to force down alot at once then go around hungry the rest of the day... not very practical >.<
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No single clear cut answer to my original question here, but the overall message seems to be that the 'breakfast like a king' idea is, in fact, an urban myth.

Can I take it that the pattern of meals each day can be flexible, according to individual needs? Without any positive or negative effect on overall weight gain or health?
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I could be wrong on this, but I think I remember hearing about a study that people who eat more frequently tend to consume less calories...something about not eating all day makes you so hungry that you consume a lot of calories in one sitting, while if you eat all day you are never really full but never really starving either. I'll look for the link when I have more time and I'll post it if I find it.
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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double post

Last edited by gc on Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:44 am; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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skeptic wrote:
No single clear cut answer to my original question here, but the overall message seems to be that the 'breakfast like a king' idea is, in fact, an urban myth.

Can I take it that the pattern of meals each day can be flexible, according to individual needs? Without any positive or negative effect on overall weight gain or health?

I believe that is the case. You might want to read about Martin Berkhan's approach to intermittent fasting.

http://avidityfitness.net/2008/01/12/interview-martin-berkhan/
http://leangains.blogspot.com/2007/06/why-would-i-do-intermittent-fasting.html
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