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| WVBIG |
 Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: Bigfoot? |
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I personally believe Bigfoot exists & always have for the following reasons:
1)There have been many reports of sightings by seemingly sane, honest people who have nothing to gain & risk ridicule for claiming a sighting of such a creature.
2)A recent two-pronged investigation of the Patterson/Gimlin concluded that a human could not replicate the walk of the subject of the film. In addition, a microscopic frame-by-frame analysis of the film revealed no trace whatsoever of a costume. But did show eye & mouth movement with corresponding muscle movement in the proper areas.
3)There have been tracks found by people very familiar with bears, that have been in found in areas where no hoaxer could have any hope of them ever being discovered. Some trails of tracks stretching for several miles.
4)There have been hair samples missing a medulla that have been deemed "Unknown primate"
5)There have been scat samples found that have failed to be linked to any known animals.
6)There have been vocalization recordings that so far, have defied Identification.
7)Many of these hair, scat, & vocalization samples have come from areas where Bigfoot sightings have been reported.
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| zinjanthropos |
| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| For the amount of times Bigfoot has been sighted by people armed with modern weaponry or state of the art cameras it is an even bigger mystery as to why no one can shoot straight or snap a clear photograph. |
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| WVBIG |
| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:02 am Post subject: Bigfoot? |
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Most of the people armed with guns that have reported seeing a Bigfoot, say they couldn't shoot because it resembled a human to closely. Over the past 150 years or so, there have been stories of people killing them. But these claims are unsubstantiated. As for why no one has been able to get a clear photograph or video so far. I think that will change in the near future since cameras & video cameras are so much more sophisticated than they were, even in the recent past. But with so much digital photo & video editing software available, (And some of it free) I doubt a photo or video of even the highest quality will do much toward convincing skeptics. Especially those in the mainstream scientific community. That's why I feel the best thing the Patterson/Gimlin film has going for it, is its age. It was shot on 10/20/67
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| zinjanthropos |
| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Bigfoot? |
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| WVBIG wrote: |
| Most of the people armed with guns that have reported seeing a Bigfoot, say they couldn't shoot because it resembled a human to closely .......... But with so much digital photo & video editing software available, (And some of it free) I doubt a photo or video of even the highest quality will do much toward convincing skeptics. |
It is quite obvious from your response that you really wish Bigfoot to be true. 'Couldn't shoot' or 'I doubt...skeptics' suggest that deep down you don't really think Bigfoot is out there. You want modern technology to help you but you have doubts it would be successful and you're not expecting Bigfoot to walk into a big simian trap and be captured or killed any time in ther near future.
If you had said somebody will definitely shoot one of these things soon then I could be reasonably sure you think Bigfoot is real. Alas it is just a hope, probably of a scientific nature, you want it but in reality aren't expecting anything. |
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| WVBIG |
| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: Bigfoot? |
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Actually. If you read my post again you'll see that I say I think someone will get a good video or photo very soon. By good, I mean one good enough to convince the skeptics that aren't members of the mainstream scientific community. The reason I say I doubt that such a photo or video will convince most members of the mainstream scientific community is because I've watched numerous documentaries on the subject containing interviews with members of the scientific community that begin to list the evidence that has been found & other things they believe that we believe about Bigfoot, & the generally miss most of the evidence and beliefs we have about this creature. I believe this is because they've already dismissed it as a possibility & haven't bothered to investigate the phenomenon at all. Which in itself, is less than scientific. In his book "Sasquatch: The Apes Among Us" author John Green makes an excellent point when he says something to the effect that so many people report seeing this creature either because it exists or for some other reason, and either way, it deserves serious scientific study. Because whether these creatures exist or not, the reports do exist.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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He was seen on Mars recently wasn't he? 
Sorry I couldn't resist that.
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| WVBIG |
| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject: Bigfoot? |
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| Rationalist |
| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| 1)There have been many reports of sightings by seemingly sane, honest people who have nothing to gain & risk ridicule for claiming a sighting of such a creature. |
This is also true with Nessie, UFOs, dinosaurs (cryptozoologists), and don't forget, miracles.
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4)There have been hair samples missing a medulla that have been deemed "Unknown primate"
5)There have been scat samples found that have failed to be linked to any known animals.
6)There have been vocalization recordings that so far, have defied Identification. |
This is not very strong evidence because it is all based on what we don't know. We don't know about the hair, the scat, the vocals. . . I prefer to go off of more positive evidence.
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| 7)Many of these hair, scat, & vocalization samples have come from areas where Bigfoot sightings have been reported. |
This is circumstantial.
I don't know, but I don't find the evidence all that convincing. I haven't looked too much into it, so I can't be too strong with my answer. Your strong assertion at the beginning and the subsequent evidence you provided did get me thinking though. . . . .
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| marnixR |
| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| svwillmer wrote: |
He was seen on Mars recently wasn't he?
Sorry I couldn't resist that. |
obviously a case of misidentifiation : there's no doubt in my mind that what has been discovered on Mars it the Little Mermaid statue from Copenhagen
it's been vandalised several times and even been stolen on the odd occasion - this is obviously one of the stolen ones
tsk, the length thieves go to to avoid detection ...
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| WVBIG |
| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: Bigfoot? |
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| Rationalist wrote: |
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| 1)There have been many reports of sightings by seemingly sane, honest people who have nothing to gain & risk ridicule for claiming a sighting of such a creature. |
This is also true with Nessie, UFOs, dinosaurs (cryptozoologists), and don't forget, miracles.
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4)There have been hair samples missing a medulla that have been deemed "Unknown primate"
5)There have been scat samples found that have failed to be linked to any known animals.
6)There have been vocalization recordings that so far, have defied Identification. |
This is not very strong evidence because it is all based on what we don't know. We don't know about the hair, the scat, the vocals. . . I prefer to go off of more positive evidence.
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| 7)Many of these hair, scat, & vocalization samples have come from areas where Bigfoot sightings have been reported. |
This is circumstantial.
I don't know, but I don't find the evidence all that convincing. I haven't looked too much into it, so I can't be too strong with my answer. Your strong assertion at the beginning and the subsequent evidence you provided did get me thinking though. . . . . |
I can't argue with your assessment of the evidence except where you say we don't know about the hair, scat, or vocalizations. While I agree we don't know for certain the source(s) of these things. We do know all possibilities that they've been compared to so far, have been ruled out. I personally will remove any reports of vocalizations from my website once they are positively linked to an animal known to science.
P.S.
What do you think about my 2nd reason?
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| zinjanthropos |
| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Just to show you I have some compassion for the Bigfoot and the like believers on this forum I devised a little 'fill in the blanks' to help them deal with those who might want to classify them as crazy.
What you are about to read is a customized and plagiarized version of 1897 New York Sun writer Francis Church's response to a letter from a young girl. I've changed a few things to accommodate the cryptozoologists of this world. My apologies to the descendants of Mr Church, purely out of respect for his extraordinary writing skills. So without further ado, here goes....
THE GENERIC CRYPTOZOOLOGIST DECLARATION FORM
Friends, those who insist that _________ does not exist are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds are little. In this great universe of ours, man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.
Yes, there is a ________. It exists as certainly as thoughts and ideas and imagination exist. Alas! How dreary would the world be if there was no ________. It would be as dreary as if there were no believers. There would be no childlike faith, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The external light with which believers fill the world would be extinguished.
Not believe in ________! You might as well not believe in fairies. If you do not witness a Griffin fly or a dragon breathe fire, what would that prove? The things that are most real are those which we cannot see. Not seeing a ________ is no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in this world.
There is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived could tear apart. Only faith, poetry, love, romance can push aside that curtain and view the beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? In all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.
No _________. It lives and it lives forever. A 1000 years from now or 10,000 years from now, _______ will continue to make glad the hearts of believers.
________ is real. I will fight that to the death. If you're wondering why I care.....just consider me a lover of all things uncertain... an apparition... a believer. |
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| Minxy |
| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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I hope he exists!
I have always had this dream where i stumble across bigfoot by some treacherous mountain outcrop (somewhere, it doesn't matter where!) and he grunts at me and drags me by my hair back to his big dark cave and treats me in such a beastly manner i stay there for at least a couple of weeks.
I am not kidding here HomoUniversalis or being 'immature' i am deadly serious. I have had this dream since i was at least ten.
So yes, he certainly exists in my mind. |
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| Rationalist |
| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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I can't argue with your assessment of the evidence except where you say we don't know about the hair, scat, or vocalizations. While I agree we don't know for certain the source(s) of these things. We do know all possibilities that they've been compared to so far, have been ruled out. I personally will remove any reports of vocalizations from my website once they are positively linked to an animal known to science.
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What kind of animals did they compare the hair, scat and vocalizations to, gorillas or bears I guess? I looked briefly through the analysis of the Patterson/Gimmlin film. It seems that it is highly unlikely that it was a forgery. So I suppose it is a possibility that there is what would be a new species walking around the woods. It certainly hasn't been ruled out completely, but it doesn't have to be considering the burden of proof. On that note, until I see more concrete evidence I think it's more likely that we haven't found it, despite much investigation for many years, because a population of Big Foots doesn't exist, and that it is just another hoax.
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| zinjanthropos |
| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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They can find a small unknown species of tree kangaroo in Indonesia without looking for it but enormous 800 lb. hairy Simians can roam around the American continent without being seen. Maybe they hibernate 11 months out of the year, ever thought of that possibility...just trying to keep hopes high.  |
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| Minxy |
| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| zinjanthropos wrote: |
| enormous 800 lb. hairy Simians |
 SWOOooonnn |
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