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| Hiramabbi |
 Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: Biblical Flood |
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Well, if you are asking about the Biblical Flood -- based on the Scripture -- I will suggest to you that it did NOT happen on this planet. Noah's world was completely destroyed by the universal flood. It's beyond our cosmos.
As you know, IF this Planet were covered with water, above Everest, the water would still be here. A fig tree could not have germinated, grown, and put forth leaves within the week Scripture requires. Gen 8:10
The first Earth was in the first Heaven (Garden of Eden), which was made on the 2nd Day, in the midst of the water. Gen 1:6-8. Our planet was made on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:9
The first Earth, the world of Adam and Noah is gone forever. The sin and violence of men, brought about it's destruction. ll Peter 3:5-6. The heavens and the earth, which are Now, will be burned. ll Peter 3:7
The 3rd Heaven is where Jesus has gone to prepare a place for us. It's where all Christians will live forever. ll Corinthians 12:2tells us of the 3rd Heaven.
But of course, I understand your predicament in trying to comprehend the Scripture. They are spiritually discerned. Poor, misguided, "arrogant scientists", are totally ignorant of 2/3 of God's Creation. Their limited "study" is confined to this World. This means that they are 2/3 ignorant of God's Truth. No wonder they get it wrong so much.
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| marnixR |
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| Hiramabbi |
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After 4.53 Billion years, Evolution had Not produced even 1 Human Civilization, which is confirmed by the fact that there are NO other Human Civilizations, older than Mesopotamia, just South of the mountains of Ararat. Suddenly, some 10,000 + - years ago, Noah was brought to this Planet -- because of their world was totally destroyed by the flood -- the 1st evidences of Human Civilization are observed in Mesopotamia. NO man could have told us that our 1st Civilization is traceable to Noah and his grandsons, but God told us this more than 3,000 years ago.
It should be obvious that the "sons of God" (prehistoric mankind) , who were already here for millions of years when Noah arrived, were as highly evolved, in intelligence, as any animal, but they had never written their name, had math, nor ever built a City, after millions of years of Evolution. Prehistoric Mankind was too ignorant to write his History until Noah arrived some 10,000 years ago.
Noah's grandsons produced Offspring who built the 1st Human Cities on this Planet. That's what happens when you combine the physical DNA of the sons of God (prehistoric mankind), with the Human Intelligence of Adam's descendants. We get today's Human Beings, and you don't have to wait for Millions of years to become Civilized
For years, Evols have searched in vain for a Human Civilization older than that which is written in Scripture. There is NONE, because Noah brought Human Intelligence and Civilization to this "Planet of Apes", after their World was destroyed by Water.
This, of course, means that Macro is a Lie and God's Holy Word is the Truth. We did not Evolve our Human Intelligence. We inherited it from Adam, exactly as God told us we did. If Noah had not left his world and came to this "Planet Apes" (other scientists term), we would still be innocent Animals, because Evolution does NOT produce Humans. Human Intelligence must be inherited from another Human. EvolutionISM is the odd man out.
Evols, please list your so called "evidences" down below....
Thanks
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tbh, i've listed the evidences so many times that on this occasion i can't be arsed
see the radio isotope dating question thread in Earth Sciences
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| Hiramabbi |
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Perhaps, you misunderstood my post. Just to clarify my position, the age of this earth is apx. 4.5B years old and in complete accord with Scripture. As you might have known the outward expansion of this present (our) Universe is some 15 Billion light years from it's beginning. However, the 1st Universe (the world of Adam-Noah), which was destroyed by water, is beyond our Cosmos, which would make it more than 15 Billion light years away.
Today's feeble scientists know of No matter which exists beyond the 15 Billion light years they can "see", today. That's also the reason why I said arrogant scientists, are totally ignorant of 2/3 of God's Creation. Their limited "study" is confined to this World. Sorry.
Try again?
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| Um tools have been used by humans for much longer than 10,000 years, thus denoting that human intelligence existed prior to sedentary lifestyles. You're argument is absurd, North American natives were nomadic so they never built cities or had a written language, but they are just as intelligent and "evolved" as any other human. Moreover, cities arrose independently in several parts of the world, notably in South America. How would you propose that the Mesoamericans developed cities (if this is somehow a sign of higher intelligence rofl) while being completely isolated from the Middle East. |
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Where are you getting all this nonsense from? Are you pulling your figures from thin air? Where does it say that Earth 1 was 15 Billion ly away? Do you have any idea how many planets probably exist in OUR Cosmos? You are a FAKE! Don't waist our time. Nobody will take you seriously here.
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how do you envisage that the earth would be destroyed by water ? was it made of blotting paper that then fell apart when it had soaked up too much water ?
+ where was the 2nd earth kept while the 1st one orbited the sun ? and did god just pluck the old one out of its orbit and replace it with the stand-in ?
+ why does the 2nd earth exhibit all the evidence that it has been around for billions of years when it was only brought out of storage a few thousand years ago ?
just the application of some basic logic raises so many questions that occam's razor tells me it's far simpler to accept that there's only been 1 earth and that any tales of a global flood are a vast inflation of some local floods near the persian gulf
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| Hiramabbi |
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| i_feel_tiredsleepy wrote: |
| Um tools have been used by humans for much longer than 10,000 years, thus denoting that human intelligence existed prior to sedentary lifestyles. You're argument is absurd, North American natives were nomadic so they never built cities or had a written language, but they are just as intelligent and "evolved" as any other human. Moreover, cities arrose independently in several parts of the world, notably in South America. How would you propose that the Mesoamericans developed cities (if this is somehow a sign of higher intelligence rofl) while being completely isolated from the Middle East. |
There were NO Humans, on this planet, until Noah arrived, which is confirmed by the fact that there are NO other Human Civilizations, older than Mesopotamia, just South of the mountains of Ararat. Perhaps you mistake me telling the Truth, that Noah was the first Human to step on this Earth, for "brushing off" the accomplishments of the ancient people (prehistoric mankind).
I do Not mean to imply that the ancient people, the "sons of God", were any different than ourselves. They looked the same, could produce offspring with Humans, and were the pinnacle of evolutionary growth BUT they were Not Human. The ancient mankind were INNOCENT beings because they did Not know good and evil, and they had Never built a City, wrote a book, or worked one math problem.
The offspring of the union of the sons of God and the descendants of Adam brought Human Civilization to this Planet of innocent animals. EvolutionISM is the odd man out. We did not evolve our human intelligence from mindless nature. We inherited it from Adam.
Are you ready to admit your error?
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| KALSTER wrote: |
| Where are you getting all this nonsense from? Are you pulling your figures from thin air? Where does it say that Earth 1 was 15 Billion ly away? Do you have any idea how many planets probably exist in OUR Cosmos? You are a FAKE! Don't waist our time. Nobody will take you seriously here. |
Scripture says that those who have not been born again have eyes which CANNOT see, and ears which CANNOT hear. Tell us of your mysterious ability to see into the mind of another. I am all ears.
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| KALSTER wrote: |
| Where are you getting all this nonsense from? Are you pulling your figures from thin air? Where does it say that Earth 1 was 15 Billion ly away? Do you have any idea how many planets probably exist in OUR Cosmos? You are a FAKE! Don't waist our time. Nobody will take you seriously here. |
Scripture says that those who have not been born again have eyes which CANNOT see, and ears which CANNOT hear. Tell us of your mysterious ability to see into the mind of another. I am all ears.
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Scripture tells us that those who do not use their brains are as good as dumb and deaf. Tell us of the provenance of your scripture. We're all agog. |
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| Hiramabbi |
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| marnixR wrote: |
how do you envisage that the earth would be destroyed by water ? was it made of blotting paper that then fell apart when it had soaked up too much water ?
+ where was the 2nd earth kept while the 1st one orbited the sun ? and did god just pluck the old one out of its orbit and replace it with the stand-in ?
+ why does the 2nd earth exhibit all the evidence that it has been around for billions of years when it was only brought out of storage a few thousand years ago ?
just the application of some basic logic raises so many questions that occam's razor tells me it's far simpler to accept that there's only been 1 earth and that any tales of a global flood are a vast inflation of some local floods near the persian gulf |
If I cite you the Scripture you won't believe it anyway. Plus, I don't deal with the why's simply because it's hypothetical question which deals with assumptions.
2Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: v6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, PERISHED (Greek- totally destroyed): v7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
I don't know about you but, in my Father's house there are many mansions (see my signature at the bottom - John 14:1~2). If it were not so, I would not be arguing with you right now.
However, the bone of contention here is -- after 4.5B years of allege EvolutionISM - no human civilization can be trace untill Noah was brought to this Planet of Apes - some 10K years ago. Don't you find it coincidental that the Cradle of Civilization, the home of writing, math, and Civilization, on this Planet, is just South of the mountains of Ararat? God's Truth is the Truth in every way.
Do you have any evidence otherwise? 
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| Orleander |
| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Biblical Flood |
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| Hiramabbi wrote: |
| Well, if you are asking about the Biblical Flood -- based on the Scripture -- I will suggest to you that it did NOT happen on this planet. Noah's world was completely destroyed by the universal flood. It's beyond our cosmos.... |
Does it say the whole planet was covered in water? Noah's people understood what a planet was?
Or maybe it was the world they knew was covered in water. Everywhere they went it was covered in water. And considering they walked or rode an animal everywhere that wouldn't be far. |
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| Hiramabbi |
| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Biblical Flood |
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| Hiramabbi wrote: |
| Well, if you are asking about the Biblical Flood -- based on the Scripture -- I will suggest to you that it did NOT happen on this planet. Noah's world was completely destroyed by the universal flood. It's beyond our cosmos.... |
Does it say the whole planet was covered in water? Noah's people understood what a planet was?
Or maybe it was the world they knew was covered in water. Everywhere they went it was covered in water. And considering they walked or rode an animal everywhere that wouldn't be far. |
The 1st Firmament or Heaven was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8 It was formed in the midst or middle of the Water, and Water was above and below it. IOW, the 1st Heaven, was surrounded by water. It was later destroyed, totally and completely, by that same Water, when the "windows of heaven were opened. Gen. 7:11
Our Heaven or Universe was made on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-5 Our own planetary explosion or "Big Bang" happened on the 3rd Day, the same Day Jesus made our Heaven or Kosmos, and also the 3rd Heaven.
Perhaps, Noah' family didn't know the difference "what a planet was", but, certanly, the sons of God did! Do you want Scripture?
Next please...
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