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| Selene |
 Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:48 am Post subject: Argueing about religion |
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It's interesting to note how the same people consistently and persistently argue between themselves about the same issues on all the threads concerning religion.
Between the lot of you, you must have written at least a hundred volumes on arguments for and against religion.
The problem is you never get anywhere with your arguments because all your arguments are based on differences in belief system and who is wrong and who is right.
These arguments never resolve anything or advance real knowledge or understanding. They are the same futile arguments throughout centuries which have caused wars and suffering, never peace or resolutions.
How much time and effort have you wasted arguing about the same things over and over again?
The only advance you seem to make is by getting increasingly annoyed with each other, and who can make the next best insult.
Some of you appear to be intelligent.
What a shame you don't apply that intelligence to something more worthwhile and useful.
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| Zitterbewegung |
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So with the same argument we could save our time in physics debating about time. Nobody knows what it is but there are several threads about just this topic and I find this interesting. So you want to exclude any discussions about the existence of a divine beeing and the implication on morals and human behaviour just because the tone get's a little bit rougher than on some other threads??
What would you suggest should be discussed then. After all, there are both Brights and Supers on this board and if they feel like talking about these topics, then so be it. You do not like those threads? Stay away from them.
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| Selene |
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| Zitterbewegung wrote: |
So with the same argument we could save our time in physics debating about time. Nobody knows what it is but there are several threads about just this topic and I find this interesting. So you want to exclude any discussions about the existence of a divine beeing and the implication on morals and human behaviour just because the tone get's a little bit rougher than on some other threads??
What would you suggest should be discussed then. After all, there are both Brights and Supers on this board and if they feel like talking about these topics, then so be it. You do not like those threads? Stay away from them. |
If the discussions were interesting, enlightening, informative and got somewhere then yes.
But the majority of the discussions are based around different beliefs which are impossible to prove and about who is wrong and right in these respects.
They don't achieve anything.
And as for the subject of time, well there is a thread currently going on already in the astronomy section which has become bland and pointless because
1. They are theories nearly impossible to prove
2. The theories are based simply on belief and prejudice and follow the same argument as religion of i am right and you are wrong, without any backing or evidence.
3. The majority of interesting discussions on this forum become ruined when the religious zealots jump on board spouting nonsense and unproven fanciful claims which the perpetuates these circular pointless arguments.
AND humans do not need to include a DIVINE being in order to make decisions about morals and human behavior. That is a ridiculous argument.
If a person requires a divine being in order to be moral then that is a very sad and desperate state of affairs.
I gather you are a 'believer' and now you will try to draw me into a pathetic argument about the existence of such a divine being, which will simply become another thread going nowhere and achieving nothing..........
Which is why, if you have nothing further of interest to add to the nature of this thread, which is NOT debating IF there is a 'divine being', but is actually discussing the pointlessness of atheist arguing against theist then you will be ignored.
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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I discuss the matters Minxy, mostly on the defense because of the wild accusations atheists in particular throw at me and religion in general. Someone insults religion and I defend it, I defend it because people who attack it are not being diplomatic and insist they are right, and personally if I were in a room with them physically discussing with them, they'd get that annoyed with my persisitence that they'd walk away. Anyone on here with a strong opinion on religion, (mostly atheists) are dictatorial about it, they don't respect the culture of other people. And personally I hold they they have a personal problem with religion. How many people on here have been young and said their parents are religious but they as the child aren't? Most fully grown atheists are ok. Its the young ones like Q, serpicojr, pavlos, all of them (with serpicojr actually being the most, if not the only one being diplomatic with it).
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The divine can be discussed through logical thinking, and therefore proved/disproved logically. The debates aren't meaningless, but they are repetitive and tedious in the long run.
In my arguments, at times, it might be implied that I generalize all religious in one group, but I am talking about a specific group in which I useally describe. I myself have little respect for religion as a concept as it is easily manipulated to evil. Religion is evidently a slippery slope.
I'm surprised you didn't include me 425 Chaotic Requisition in your list by the way, considering my age ^^,
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| Pendragon |
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Some argue here to learn something. I've certainly learned a thing or two (for example that I'm rather an adogmatist than just an atheist), maybe not as much as I hoped to.
Some may argue to sharpen their debating skills, which can be very useful in real life. We test out our latest arguments here and see if we can get some reasonable feedback.
And some may just be wasting time, but that's their right. Perhaps you fall in this last category Selene, maybe you don't spend much time on this section but you sure waste it 
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| Selene |
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| Pendragon wrote: |
Perhaps you fall in this last category Selene, maybe you don't spend much time on this section but you sure waste it
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I was prepared for indignation and insults from the very people who drivel on in pointless arguments with this thread Pendragon.
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| marnixR |
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been there, done that, but in the end it's not even worth trying to get the t-shirt
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| qwertyman |
| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: |
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I have several personal reasons for debating religion
1) it helps me think about my and other peoples beleafs
2)it helps other people consider their own and other peoples beleafs
3)it helps me brush up on my debating skills
4)I get the odd lol when someone claims to be jesus or claims to have discovered a goverment plot to kill us all  (joke- no offence jesus)
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| marnixR wrote: |
| been there, done that, but in the end it's not even worth trying to get the t-shirt |
Insanity to drink pepsi max?
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| Selene |
| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| marnixR wrote: |
| been there, done that, but in the end it's not even worth trying to get the t-shirt |
Insanity to drink pepsi max? |
No
'Religion Rocks, but it still doesn't feed the people'
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| Zitterbewegung |
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AND humans do not need to include a DIVINE being in order to make decisions about morals and human behavior. That is a ridiculous argument.
If a person requires a divine being in order to be moral then that is a very sad and desperate state of affairs. |
Do you know how often I heard the question from Supers when I state that I am a Bright: "And where do you get your morals from??!!" Umptenhundred is probably a very low estimate.
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| I gather you are a 'believer' and now you will try to draw me into a pathetic argument about the existence of such a divine being, which will simply become another thread going nowhere and achieving nothing.......... |
I can not remeber adressing you in a rude manner (I have a genetic defect that prevents me from beeing rude  ) yet you are insinuating that the argument I will be drawing you in is "pathetic".
And the other thing is: I do not have to disprove a divine beeing. I just assign an extremely small probability to it's existance.
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| I was prepared for indignation and insults from the very people who drivel on in pointless arguments with this thread Pendragon |
So you learned something so this and other threads were obviously not useless.
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| been there, done that, but in the end it's not even worth trying to get the t-shirt |
Which one?? The one that says: "Crucified and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"
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| Which one?? The one that says: "Crucified and all I got was this lousy T-shirt" |
nope - the one that says "nicked from the cross"
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| serpicojr |
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition wrote: |
| Most fully grown atheists are ok. Its the young ones like Q, serpicojr, pavlos, all of them (with serpicojr actually being the most, if not the only one being diplomatic with it). |
I appreciate you describing me as diplomatic.  I'd like to add that I'm not an atheist, I'm agnostic. I don't want to get too deep into semantics, so my own personal experience is: raised as a Christian, attended church regularly through high school, haven't been going except on holidays and odd Sundays with the parents since, don't feel a real need for religion in my life (aside from community aspects), don't think about God or, more generally, the teleological issues, think Jesus is pretty cool anyway, try to be cool to others in general. |
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| Hanuka |
| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: Re: Argueing about religion |
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| Selene wrote: |
It's interesting to note how the same people consistently and persistently argue between themselves about the same issues on all the threads concerning religion.
Between the lot of you, you must have written at least a hundred volumes on arguments for and against religion.
The problem is you never get anywhere with your arguments because all your arguments are based on differences in belief system and who is wrong and who is right.
These arguments never resolve anything or advance real knowledge or understanding. They are the same futile arguments throughout centuries which have caused wars and suffering, never peace or resolutions.
How much time and effort have you wasted arguing about the same things over and over again?
The only advance you seem to make is by getting increasingly annoyed with each other, and who can make the next best insult.
Some of you appear to be intelligent.
What a shame you don't apply that intelligence to something more worthwhile and useful. |
We argue cos it`s fun 
It burns up time and trains our arguing skillz
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