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| Ozolnyex |
 Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:02 am Post subject: Antigravity - science fiction or inevitable discovery? |
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Some say history repeats, as it was with laser beam, submarine, science fiction, nobody believed that time it's gonna be real, the same is with antigravity, should be a great shock to the mankind.
What phisical structure has an axis of rotating object, I suggest 0 structure, like spacetime also has 0 structure, so we get structure inside a matter similar to space structure, mayby we can manipulate it.
When you push out from the point a working giroscope There is a violent reaction, I would ask why, Why could'nt we change direction of rotating giroscope's axis veri slowly, I appeal for common sense here, but answer is it's axis has the continuance in form of spatial dimension outside giroscopes matter, that's why it holds steady vectorial position, outer space dimension goes through rotating giroscope like a normal dimension, if You interrupt it, violent reaction ocurs.
Antigravity discovery should be very close to this phenomenon.
If we could interrupt a space constantly, it would prevent an object from falling because there will be no space for it to fall to.
What You think?
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| KALSTER |
| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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If a graviton particle is discovered, it would naturally have an antiparticle that possibly could have such an effect. I can't make heads or tails of any of the rest of your question, so let the actual scientists answer your question. Brace yourself.
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| dejawolf |
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hmm, countering gravity with an antigravity field?
wouldn't that field have to be powered, to make it refuse people to fall to the ground?
we've already been able to "create" antigravity on earth.
its done by making an airplane dive at the speed of gravity, thereby cancelling the effect of gravity.
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I think you will find that is zero gravity Dej.
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| Janus |
| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Antigravity - science fiction or inevitable discovery? |
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Some say history repeats, as it was with laser beam, submarine, science fiction, nobody believed that time it's gonna be real, the same is with antigravity, should be a great shock to the mankind.
What phisical structure has an axis of rotating object, I suggest 0 structure, like spacetime also has 0 structure, so we get structure inside a matter similar to space structure, mayby we can manipulate it.
When you push out from the point a working giroscope There is a violent reaction, I would ask why, Why could'nt we change direction of rotating giroscope's axis veri slowly, I appeal for common sense here, but answer is it's axis has the continuance in form of spatial dimension outside giroscopes matter, that's why it holds steady vectorial position, outer space dimension goes through rotating giroscope like a normal dimension, if You interrupt it, violent reaction ocurs.
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The reaction of the gyroscope is simply due to conservation of angular momentum. The indivdual parts of the gryoscope try to continue traveling in the same direction they were before you apllied the force. The gyroscope twists in response.
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Antigravity discovery should be very close to this phenomenon.
If we could interrupt a space constantly, it would prevent an object from falling because there will be no space for it to fall to.
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| Janus |
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| KALSTER wrote: |
If a graviton particle is discovered, it would naturally have an antiparticle that possibly could have such an effect.
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Sorry, but the graviton, like the photon, would be its own antiparticle. So there would not be any "repulsive" graviton. |
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| KALSTER |
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OK my bad...
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No not your bad, the photon has an anti-particle but its properties are almost interchangable-there is one theory why they are hard to detect and this is being investigated currently at CERN.
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| Ozolnyex |
| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: Antigravity device |
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The spase has 3 axis, imagine You make a devise that can aniihilate one axis and Your space is flat, there will be no possible movements axcept flat, here is Your antigraviti, aniihilate downword dimension and object will hang on  I can explain such a device if anybody want to listen, I wrote to NASA several times they just ignore me. I do not htink they have to ignore new ideas, anyway where do they take them, from treare own stuff? How to meke shuttles more safe?
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I think that it could also be a matter of allowing matter to ignore the gravitational field; you could also allow matter to ignore the higg's Boson-which would allow for some profound things.
How to do this? Through the LHC, we might be able to find the part of all known matter that reacts to the field, and could then try to eliminate it from the element, or make it inactive. If NASA starts exploring distant solar systems, we might even be able to find new elements that do not react to gravity or the Higgs Boson.
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I don't think that we'll be able eliminate a dimension any time soon though. It would require knowledge that is currently beyond our mental capacitance.
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| Ozolnyex |
| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: steel sphere |
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Make one stable axis by rotation, then rotate perpendiculary. Axis itself like dimension is zero structure, if You push it inside the matter it will move
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Let's clear something up here so we are all reading the same page.
"Apparent gravity cancellation" That is what you get with the diving aircraft it is not 'anti-gravity' it is merely a vector sum of forces where gravity is apparently cancelled/nuetralised or destroyed
Another example might be two large identical globes (don't go there please..  ) in space (lets assume jupiter size. they are close together and you are equidistant between them, you appear to either to be hovering above the surface, you appear to be defying gravity this is not the same as the first example.
THis is "centre of gravity" where you are very much subject to gravity in all directions.
Antigravity to me suggests that you switch on this machine and it projects a cone or cylinder of space vertically upwards in which no trace of gravity can be found.
But looking at the word I see it means to 'defy gavity' in the same way defying society can be considered ant-social. I defy gravity everytime I swim, or jump or cycle up hill...
Of the magic machine above, (that projects a cone or cylinder of space)
IN order to produce a machine like this we must first understand the source of gravity, long projected is the graviton but alas it has not been found. Anyway if it were found this would actually mean an anti-gravity machine as considered above would be impossible! You would need as many anti-gravs as you have gravs, they would need to occupy the same space (so as to cancel each 'gravs' influence.
Secondly this 'antigrav' particle if ammassed would do what with passing matter? would it repel it? would it attract it?
There is another way and that is to annihilate or temporarily move the matter who's gravity you are influenced by, from the universe! so matter has gravity, anti-matter annihilates matter and therefore annhilates gravity.
So in the long term a gun that you can point at someone press the trigger and watch them float up is a great hollywood subject but for me, I'll file it along side..
Hawking Radiation, or 'How I fudged the maths'
Telekinesis, not with the rules of our universe!
Time travel not survivable to anything larger than a photon.
Teleportation (of live tissue), as for time travel.
And of course the actual building of an efficient space elevator!
I am open to persuasion on any and all of these but not from the usual "Just because it isn't possible now, doesn't mean it will always be that way" because that's the very argument we despise of theists for the existence of gods.
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how about the biefield brown effect?
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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Interesting dejawolf.
On an SVW note, gravity and electromagnetism are somehow connected so there must be a way to allow for graviational repulsion if they are the same 'force'. The only trick now is to put gravity under circumstances similar to that of electromagnetism and at the same time vice versa.
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