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| Cosmored |
 Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: American Imperialism |
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| Neutrino |
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| TvEye |
| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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Don't worry, america. Third world countries are already exploiting themselves anyway. See robert mugabe for this year's example. What's a little more exploitation between friends?
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| jackson33 |
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Cosmored; Since you a new poster and imply you are not spamming, I will address the notion.
To my knowledge, the US Government has no military instillation's anyplace on this planet, that the current government does not want them. A couple may exist from previous treaties or lease agreements, possibly even long range treaties, but there influence on the operating governments or the industrial structures are minimal to non existent.
Just as American's are divided on maintaining these facilities or the aid offered many more, there are fractions with in any nation opposed to any US influence. Our cultural, traditions, form of government, economic systems and media/entertainment, criminal/law/court systems and many things are not the same anyplace else and frankly hard to understand.
Since I feel, were going to jump right into an Militant Islamic viewpoint of our systems, I would advise human rights is the job of the United Nations and the primary point it was organized. If its the Free Market/Capitalism influence, which does resemble Imperialism from a business understanding, which US has little control over where they operate and they cannot operate w/o the consent of governments and people of a nation, your barking up the wrong tree. IMO. |
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| free radical |
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Two wrongly used apostrophes and two omitted apostrophes.
I weep for the future of the world. |
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| Cosmored |
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Whats your point?
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| Cosmored |
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I was responding to this.
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| To my knowledge, the US Government has no military instillation's anyplace on this planet, that the current government does not want them. |
It's two posts above my last one. |
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| 425 Chaotic Requisition |
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| Cosmored wrote: |
I was responding to this.
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| To my knowledge, the US Government has no military instillation's anyplace on this planet, that the current government does not want them. |
It's two posts above my last one. |
Oh, my bad 
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| jackson33 |
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Cosmored; My explanation on Military Bases explained the acceptance of the involved countries. We have thousand of folks from around the world that have bought and own property in the US, a lot of which is in Hawaii. Are you suggesting we are then inviting Imperialism, from one Nation or another.
You have stated, your opinions come from life experiences ("Teaching English in Spain and talking with folks in California") and given countless opinions of the disgruntled. W/O some specific viewpoint of what your trying to promote or what you feel is wrong, makes it hard to discuss.
Imperialism, from an Historical viewpoint, was not always a bad thing, for the times they occurred in. With this is mind, Capitalism/Free Market influence around the world, has already established a track record leaning toward the good.
Conquest of a people or a Nation, on the other hand, would be in direct conflict with the American Constitution/Tradition or its people. Nor has any actual take over ever occurred. In fact our history has shown contempt for any other Nation to try such tactics. |
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| Cosmored |
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| Imperialism, from an Historical viewpoint, was not always a bad thing, for the times they occurred in. |
It's bad of you're one of the victims.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise_01_03_03_mockingbird.html
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| jackson33 |
| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| Cosmored wrote: |
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| Imperialism, from an Historical viewpoint, was not always a bad thing, for the times they occurred in. |
It's bad of you're one of the victims.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise_01_03_03_mockingbird.html
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Its difficult to argue *Conspiracy Theory* when responding to one liners.
However, I have often wrote on the need of government to draw up and consider alternative scenarios for potential events. Many times these scenarios get out into the public, resulting in just this sort of thing.
I could argue with Mary Louis, but am curious if you know of Mary Louise Pratt, who is literate in Spanish (Spain) and Portuguese. Also has been involved in justifying Imperialism, from the past??? |
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| Cosmored |
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| I could argue with Mary Louis, but am curious if you know of Mary Louise Pratt, who is literate in Spanish (Spain) and Portuguese. Also has been involved in justifying Imperialism, from the past??? |
I googled her but I didn't have time to do any serious searching. I know that spin doctors explain what's happening to Americans to make them think we are acting in "Self defence" whenever we intervene in other countries. Was she a spin doctor, is did she try to inform people of the truth? |
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| jackson33 |
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Cosmored; What you would consider truth, is agreeing on limitations of the US government, under our constitution. Free speech, can produce anything to agree with anyone. It also holds government to limits in manipulating the public or the ability to fool...
Maintaining security and self defense are two different things. No doubt there have been many covert actions taken, by the US Federal Government and no doubt many attempted against it some possibly successful. The question is, what if we knew all that does go on, what good would that be to the society. In a society of 300 million, fairly well educated and knee deep in their own personal lives, really have no need or desire to know or understand what happens, whether for their benefit or to set up some agenda. We elect the people who do this and trust they will do the correct things, right or wrong.
Obviously, your an active conspiracy seeker, which their are a lot of in any free society. The Pentagon Bombing, Flights to the moon and CIA activity are public record. No doubt if I checked further, say on You-Tube, I would find the Twin Towers, Bombing of Pearl Harbor and a host of others. IMO; there are to many constructive things which can be achieved in ones life, than looking for the dark side of life. Then comes motivation in your practice. You have at least some education and have filed your references to validate your comments. This indicates a sinister motive, which is hard to draw from your style of discussion (one liners). Since there is no political agenda apparent, I would say you motivated by a social or religious agenda... |
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| Cosmored |
| Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Obviously, your an active conspiracy seeker, which their are a lot of in any free society. |
All I'm doing in this thread is trying to share what I've learned by living abroad with my fellow Americans. Don't you think the stuff I posted is important to know. If people know the real motives of the government when it wants the public to support an intervention in another country, they can make an informed decision.
Imagine if the whole population of Germany had refused to fight for Hitler. |
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