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| profahmfaw |
 Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject: A new study shows that Islam is the truth |
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| dimethyltryptamine |
| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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you might want to stop trying to categorize people.
we art one. |
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| Mars |
| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Oh no! A completely bullshit set of statistics has just destroyed all my beliefs!
*slits wrists*
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| i_feel_tiredsleepy |
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Atheist don't choose to be atheist because they think life will be better without religion, many just don't believe o.O.
I don't see how this shows Islam is better either lol. It is just a matter of moral objection to suicide, if a person is not opposed to suicide they are more likely to commit it. |
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| KALSTER |
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So I should become Muslim because I'll be less likely to commit suicide? And what if I don't want to commit suicide? Just more of the same…. Give it a rest man.
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| serpicojr |
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| Um... what about suicide bombers? |
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| profahmfaw |
| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| i_feel_tiredsleepy |
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| Yes cause as well all know Muslim nations report honestly on all international statistics, just like Iran's conspicuous lack of homosexuals. |
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| profahmfaw |
| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| i_feel_tiredsleepy wrote: |
| Yes cause as well all know Muslim nations report honestly on all international statistics, just like Iran's conspicuous lack of homosexuals. |
No man these Physcologists will not waste thier time with fake statistics as you say. they are well known psychologists and if they know that you are swearing them like this I think they will bring you to the court.
Here are thier photos:
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| Obviously |
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Ah, it's this time of year again 
Why is atheism counted in these studies? Atheism isn't a religion
And also, I have significant doubts about these statistic. Atheism being highest in suicide rates? Yeah, right.
To quote the source given:
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| With regards to gender, the suicide rates according to the prevailing religion in countries are generally... |
According to the prevailing religion in countries? What kind of a bogus way is this to represent the statistics? Given that Japan is mostly an atheist country with high suicide rate, if you search for the cause for the suicides you're most likely going to find out that they're religious (cults etc).
It is clear that these statistics are not to be trusted. I would call these manipulated statistic at best.
| profahmfaw wrote: |
| Everything around you tell you that Islam is the truth please try to discover the truth. |
That must be the weirdes thing I've ever heard. Islam is as far away from truth as seemingly possible.
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| i_feel_tiredsleepy |
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| Their figures are based completely on those submitted by the member states of the UN to the WHO, they even say in the paper that the numbers could be higher and could be misleading. It is very easy to understand how in a theocracy people would cover up suicide much more readily than in a liberal democracy. Moreover, suicide rates correlate with living on islands and with higher standard of living (also from their report). The difference with relation to religion is solely based on the fact that religious people are less likely to commit suicide because they think it is wrong, and the figures from the Middle East are more than likely not representative. |
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| profahmfaw |
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| Obviously wrote: |
Ah, it's this time of year again
Why is atheism counted in these studies? Atheism isn't a religion
And also, I have significant doubts about these statistic. Atheism being highest in suicide rates? Yeah, right.
To quote the source given:
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| With regards to gender, the suicide rates according to the prevailing religion in countries are generally... |
According to the prevailing religion in countries? What kind of a bogus way is this to represent the statistics? Given that Japan is mostly an atheist country with high suicide rate, if you search for the cause for the suicides you're most likely going to find out that they're religious (cults etc).
It is clear that these statistics are not to be trusted. I would call these manipulated statistic at best.
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| Everything around you tell you that Islam is the truth please try to discover the truth. |
That must be the weirdes thing I've ever heard. Islam is as far away from truth as seemingly possible. |
So here is another member trying to swear these well-known psychologists. Sorry my Friend I will try to contact them and tell them how you are swearing them here and they will bring you to the court.
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| i_feel_tiredsleepy |
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| Since when is disagreeing with WHO officials illegal? Rofl I love you. |
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| Obviously |
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| profahmfaw wrote: |
| So here is another member trying to swear these well-known psychologists. Sorry my Friend I will try to contact them and tell them how you are swearing them here and they will bring you to the court. |
I'll be most obliged.
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| marnixR |
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i'd say the graph you show is pretty meaningless, seeing that China is counted as an atheist country, and since their numbers will swamp most other countries, this doesn't say anything at all about western european suicides (which are actually more likely to be classified as christian)
so overall, the statistics may not be fake, but they're pretty meaningless
also the authors raise 2 possible objections in their first few paragraphs :
1. Whenever figures on suicide are presented or discussed there is always the question of their reliability
2. Another question that is frequently raised refers to the comparability of data across countries
without really putting the doubts over reliability to bed
finally, how do you tie this study on suicide rates in with the title of this thread that islam is truth ? there's a non-sequitur if ever i saw one
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