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| Deathridesahorse |
 Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:31 am Post subject: 50mpg is obviously not that hard... |
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MUMBAI - Some of the secrecy surrounding the Tatas’ "1-Lakh" small car has been shed, with a company executive disclosing that the vehicle will get 25 kilometers (15.5 miles) per liter and in performance terms will match the Maruti 800, one of the most popular cars in the budget segment of the Indian market.
“It’s an eco-car with a 25 kilometer-per-liter mileage on petrol, meets every international standard and specification, including Euro-4 norms. Acceleration wise, it’s the same as a Maruti 800,” R. A. Mashelkar, a nonexecutive director on Tata Motors’ board, told reporters in Calcutta.
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source: http://www.forbes.com/markets/2007/12/19/tata-budget-car-markets-equity-cx_rd_1219markets03.html?feed=rss_popstories
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| Bunbury |
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| It's interesting, but I wonder what safety features are included in a $2,500 car. I've heard that traffic in Mumbai is chaotic, to say the least, and a very cheap car is not going to help matters in that respect. |
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| marnixR |
| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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50mpg cars have been around for donkey's years - they're called diesel cars
i've driven a Citroen Picasso HDi for the last 6 years and over that period average a fuel consumption in excess of 50mpg
it seems that smaller cars such as the Volkswagen Lupo can do way better, in the region of 80mpg
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| Deathridesahorse |
| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:45 am Post subject: |
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| Bunbury wrote: |
| It's interesting, but I wonder what safety features are included in a $2,500 car. I've heard that traffic in Mumbai is chaotic, to say the least, and a very cheap car is not going to help matters in that respect. |
It will obviously be more with safety features as they would most probably be optional extras, HAHAHA!
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| Deathridesahorse |
| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:48 am Post subject: |
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| marnixR wrote: |
50mpg cars have been around for donkey's years - they're called diesel cars
i've driven a Citroen Picasso HDi for the last 6 years and over that period average a fuel consumption in excess of 50mpg
it seems that smaller cars such as the Volkswagen Lupo can do way better, in the region of 80mpg |
Really.
I wonder why all the fuss about rasing the minimum standard to 35mpg in America, then?
It really has been an eye-opener this Global Warming stuff.
It's made a lot of people very uncomfortable, HAHAHAHAHA, having to admit to some of these tricks of the trade.
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| sunshinewarrior |
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| Bunbury wrote: |
| It's interesting, but I wonder what safety features are included in a $2,500 car. I've heard that traffic in Mumbai is chaotic, to say the least, and a very cheap car is not going to help matters in that respect. |
As someone who has, on and off, driven in Bombay for 24 years I can confirm the apparently chaotic nature of its roads. The chaos, however, is of a sort that hinders the flow of traffic (stating the obvious yet?) and therefore reduces the average speed of a car to such an extent that most safety features become irrelevant. Ask a Bombay driver what safety feature he wants and he'll probably ask for proper metal bumpers so that his car can shrug off the frequent little dings that are an everyday part of the experience. Won't work for our motorways but may well be fine for a city where the traffic moves at the average speed of the bullock heading down one side of the road... |
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| Bunbury |
| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| Deathridesahorse wrote: |
| marnixR wrote: |
50mpg cars have been around for donkey's years - they're called diesel cars
i've driven a Citroen Picasso HDi for the last 6 years and over that period average a fuel consumption in excess of 50mpg
it seems that smaller cars such as the Volkswagen Lupo can do way better, in the region of 80mpg |
Really.
I wonder why all the fuss about rasing the minimum standard to 35mpg in America, then? |
I'm not going to defend the American car manufacturers, but for the sake of accuracy 35mpg in the USA equals 42mpg in the UK (our gallons are different sizes).
Regarding diesel, I think diesel cars will become more available and popular in the States when ultra clean synthetic diesel is more widely available.
(And re the Picasso, we rented one on a vacation in England a couple of years ago and took to calling it the Hippo, thanks to its acceleration and turning chracteristics.  We didn't check the gas mileage.) |
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| free radical |
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| Bunbury wrote: |
| Deathridesahorse wrote: |
| marnixR wrote: |
50mpg cars have been around for donkey's years - they're called diesel cars
i've driven a Citroen Picasso HDi for the last 6 years and over that period average a fuel consumption in excess of 50mpg
it seems that smaller cars such as the Volkswagen Lupo can do way better, in the region of 80mpg |
Really.
I wonder why all the fuss about rasing the minimum standard to 35mpg in America, then? |
I'm not going to defend the American car manufacturers, but for the sake of accuracy 35mpg in the USA equals 42mpg in the UK (our gallons are different sizes). |
Also, it is the average efficiency, not the minimum efficiency, that is to be raised to 35 mpg. (Obviously I am not interested in defending the US either as an average of 35 mpg is easier than a minimum of 35 mpg!  ) |
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| Bunbury |
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Good point. I believe pickup trucks, SUVs have to be included in the average calculation(for the first time?) so the small cars will have to do much better than 35mpg to compensate for the SUVs.
What's the average in Europe, considering the big BMWs and Mercedes as well as the small cars? |
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| sunshinewarrior |
| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| Bunbury wrote: |
Good point. I believe pickup trucks, SUVs have to be included in the average calculation(for the first time?) so the small cars will have to do much better than 35mpg to compensate for the SUVs.
What's the average in Europe, considering the big BMWs and Mercedes as well as the small cars? |
I don't think we have a minimum mileage standard. We have a maximum emission standard whereby all manufacturers will have to average, across their ranges, no more than some 110gm/km of CO2 by 2010 or some such.
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