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| Cosmo |
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:42 am Post subject: 4th Dimension |
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AN INTERPRETATION OF THE FOURTH DIMENSION
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT
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Let us start out with single units of measurement such as 1^1 that is a straight line of one unit length, 1^2 that is an area of one square unit and 1^3 that is a volume of one cube. When we come to 1^4, then we cannot comprehend what type of space that would pertain to.
Time is presently looked upon as the fourth dimension but it is a measure of motion, not space.
Now if we think in measurements of two units, such as 2^1, 2^2, 2^3 and 2^4, then it provides us with a little more insight into the meaning of the fourth dimension. 2^1 is a line of two units in length. 2^2 is a square of four units, 2^3 is a cube of eight units. When we come to 2^4, that gives us 16 units of what? If we adhere to cubic units (space), we can have some symmetry of our building pattern by dividing the 16 cubic unit cube into two eight unit cubes to keep the pattern going. What does this signify? What we are doing here then, is dividing which is analogous to the biological world of cell division. We have moved into the living or biological realm. Any additional dimensions such as 2^5 and etc, would then simply signify further division and multiplication representing cell growth.
2^4 can also be interpreted in a slightly different manner. The additional 8 unit cube can be divided into 8 individual units and placed at the corners of the first 8 unit cube. This would be symmetrical and balanced. What does this signify? It’s significance is analogous to a plant or plant growth. The top cubes representing branches and the bottom cubes representing the roots.
2^5 and etc, would again represent additional growth or an extension of the branches and roots by placing them as additional cubes at each corner at the ends of the other 8 unit cube. Here again, we have symmetry and 2^4 then represents the biological realm of plants by symbolizing plant life and growth.
In this case, the photons that are 'single' one line dimensional energy sources are actually transformed into work that creates added matter to the plants growth.
So here we have energy converted into matter by the plants.
If we move into 3 unit dimensions such as 3^1, 3^2 , 3^3 and 3^4, we lose our symmetrical or balanced pattern. 3^1 is a 3 unit line, 3^2 is a 9 unit square and 3^3 is a 27 unit cube. 3^4 could then represent 3, 27 unit cubes. Do cells divide into 3 units?
And, the plant form? If we divide the other cubes into individual units and put them at the corners of the first 27 unit cube, which has only 8 corners, we have lost our symmetry by having some extra units left over creating an imbalance.
The two unit symmetry mentioned previously seems to be present in other aspects of nature as well. Examples are:
In matter, the electron and proton are the only basic particles of matter that are stable and can exist in isolation. However, in isolation, they would rapidly disperse and constitute nothing of value.
Electro-magnetic force is also dual in character. It has the electric and magnetic components and it is the only force we have a thorough understanding of.
Mathematics has its duality with positive and negative numbers and although the negative numbers are incomprehensible, they do play a small roll in some formulas of mathematics.
Life as we know it also has its duality being composed of animal and plant forms and they both complement each other.
We have the physical and spiritual worlds that is another example of duality. The spiritual world could be analogous to the negative numbers because of their difficulty for comprehension.
Then there is the reproduction of life. This also is a two unit world, since it requires a male and a female to carry on the process. Either one alone can not carry on this function although the females can reproduce themselves in very rare situations.
There are probably several other examples that may exist.
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| Harold14370 |
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:05 am Post subject: Re: 4th Dimension |
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| Cosmo wrote: |
Mathematics has its duality with positive and negative numbers and although the negative numbers are incomprehensible, they do play a small roll in some formulas of mathematics.
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Very entertaining, Cosmo. Keep them coming. |
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| serpicojr |
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: Re: 4th Dimension |
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| Cosmo wrote: |
| Mathematics has its duality with positive and negative numbers and although the negative numbers are incomprehensible, they do play a small roll in some formulas of mathematics. |
What's not comprehensible about negative numbers? |
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| william |
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: Re: 4th Dimension |
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| serpicojr wrote: |
| Cosmo wrote: |
| Mathematics has its duality with positive and negative numbers and although the negative numbers are incomprehensible, they do play a small roll in some formulas of mathematics. |
What's not comprehensible about negative numbers? |
I agree. If I owe someone some money, I comprehend that as a negative income.
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| Cold Fusion |
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:50 am Post subject: |
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I'm confused about how you went from spacial dimensions to plants.
What are you trying to prove exactly and how does it relate to astronomy? _________________ Forget all that you know, achievements can only be accomplished by starting from nothing and selectively applying facts that are purely objective and absolutely necessary. |
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| i_feel_tiredsleepy |
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| It makes no sense, and plants don't convert energy directly to mass >.> |
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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You like using >.> that don't you?  _________________ "There is no knowledge, that is not power" - Ralph Waldo Emerson. |
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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You like using >.> that don't you?  |
It is a habit routed in my growing up in the msn generation, I am plagued by emoticons. |
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| Cosmo |
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:00 am Post subject: |
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Harold
Thanks
Serpico
I do not owe anyone any money as William does.
Sleepy
Plants absorbed the enery of the photon to do work for growth.
The growth is added mass.
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| Cosmo |
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:11 am Post subject: |
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I'm confused about how you went from spacial dimensions to plants.
What are you trying to prove exactly and how does it relate to astronomy? |
The photons are spatial dimensions moving through space.
The electric fields transmit the photons through space.
I am trying to show that there can be a real 4th dimension transformed from a physical medium to a living life source.
The Sun is an astronomical source of energy and I figured that the 4th dimension of Einsteins can heve a new reality.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| Cosmo wrote: |
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Plants absorbed the enery of the photon to do work for growth.
The growth is added mass.
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No, plants use photons to agitate electrons and generate a proton gradient so as to fuel oxidative phosphorylation. Then they use ATP to fix carbon dioxide from the atmosphere to form glucose. They never, and nor do any other organisms, directly convert energy to matter. |
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| Cosmo wrote: |
I am trying to show that there can be a real 4th dimension transformed from a physical medium to a living life source. |
Shouldn't this be in biology?
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| The Sun is an astronomical source of energy and I figured that the 4th dimension of Einsteins can heve a new reality. |
What's wrong with the reality we have now? _________________ I may have no understanding of the current theory of evolution. But that's because science keeps changing it. A few weeks ago I read in the newspaper that it had once again been adjusted & just the other day I discovered a new book called "The New Theory of Evolution" ~~Steven Titchenell : W.V.B.I.G. President. |
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| Cosmo |
Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| i_feel_tiredsleepy wrote: |
| Cosmo wrote: |
Sleepy
Plants absorbed the enery of the photon to do work for growth.
The growth is added mass.
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No, plants use photons to agitate electrons and generate a proton gradient so as to fuel oxidative phosphorylation. Then they use ATP to fix carbon dioxide from the atmosphere to form glucose. They never, and nor do any other organisms, directly convert energy to matter. |
The photons are energy sources that do work. What do you think those transformations within the plants are?
Besides, there is no need to get too thechnical as to what happens.
I was an organic gardener and I raised my own plants.
My start up seedlings needed 'light' to grow after the first true leaves emerged.
Without this light, their growth would be very slow and retarted.
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| Cosmo |
Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| Cosmo wrote: |
I am trying to show that there can be a real 4th dimension transformed from a physical medium to a living life source. |
Shouldn't this be in biology? |
Well, yes but I thought it would get more attention here rather than being buried in biology.
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| The Sun is an astronomical source of energy and I figured that the 4th dimension of Einsteins can heve a new reality. |
What's wrong with the reality we have now?[/quote]
Well, the Einstein 4th dimension has some problems with its current solutions to the planetary orbital corrections.
Einstein himself admitted that his 'static' universe would collapse without the introduction of Lambda.
The BBT seemed to solve his need for the Cosmological constant but the BBT needs several solutions to justify itself and these are not being solved.
So that is not my idea of reality.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| Cosmo wrote: |
Well, the Einstein 4th dimension has some problems with its current solutions to the planetary orbital corrections.
Einstein himself admitted that his 'static' universe would collapse without the introduction of Lambda.
The BBT seemed to solve his need for the Cosmological constant but the BBT needs several solutions to justify itself and these are not being solved.
So that is not my idea of reality.
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Again, that is yet another reality you describe, what's wrong with the one we reside? _________________ I may have no understanding of the current theory of evolution. But that's because science keeps changing it. A few weeks ago I read in the newspaper that it had once again been adjusted & just the other day I discovered a new book called "The New Theory of Evolution" ~~Steven Titchenell : W.V.B.I.G. President. |
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